Redneck shoots up Pensacola with AK-47

[JimC]

Handgun or rifle.

If it was a handgun, "wielding" or "brandishing" would be having it in your hand and not in a holster. For a rifle or shotgun, it would be carrying it in a fashion that leads others to (reasonably) believe you might use it. Acceptable carry would be on a sling, in a case, with the action open (shotgun) or the magazine well empty and action locked open. Any time that the muzzle of the firearm "covers" or threatens to cover a human being, that can be both "brandishing" or "menacing."

Your demeanor and obedience to police instructions would also be important, and refusing to surrender a firearm when commanded by the police will do the trick.

It's a somewhat flexible definition precisely because it's difficult to analyze without reference to the exact totality of the circumstances.

Many years ago, I remember taking a Mauser bolt-action rifle I had into a city gun-shop for some work. I had it in a bag, with the bolt seperate, and (of course) no ammo.

I was stopped by a police patrol (it was pretty obvious what was in the bag). I showed them the rifle, with bolt removed. They were happy with that, and we moved on.

[FBM]

Hmm, y'know, there are BAC limits for driving. Are there such limits for carrying a firearm? If not, there should be.

[Gallstones]

Hmm, y'know, there are BAC limits for driving. Are there such limits for carrying a firearm? If not, there should be.

Limit for drinking while carrying?
Yes, in Montana the limit is zero. You may not handle or carry a weapon while drinking or intoxicated. Sober carry only and no carry at all into bars.

[FBM]

Cool.

[Robert_S]

I've ONCE shot after a single beer, not enough to cloud my safety judgment, but I could notice a huge difference in accuracy.

[JimC]

I've ONCE shot after a single beer, not enough to cloud my safety judgment, but I could notice a huge difference in accuracy.

I once blasted off a full 30 round magazine of an M1 Garand as fast as I could pull the trigger into a dead treestump from 20 yards away when I was stoned...

I think I hit it a few times...

[Cormac]

The thing is Seth, I'm skeptical that the citizenry would have the will, the organization or the capability to oppose this putative tyrannical gov. My guess is it would be cheaper and easier to manipulate the democratic process anyway. That way the "sheeple" get to keep their toy guns and sense of autonomy and the ruling class get what they want with the willing support of their wage slaves.

From 1916 to 1922 it was achieved in Ireland, where an armed citizenry created an insurgency backed by a democratic movement to eject a despotic power.

However, in the immediate aftermath the country was awash with firearms and explosives, and we had a civil war. To allow the creation of a stable state, anti prevent the ongoing potential for violent antagonism between former civil war enemies, (often family and neighbours) we went through a disarmament phase, beginning with the creation of an unarmed police force.

Very few people own guns in Ireland. Shotguns and .22 calibre rifles are ok. For a while the law was relaxed around handguns. I think this has been tightened again.

The other issue we have had is the IRA and its various splinter groups all sought the overthrow of our democratic republic,and (since the 50s or 60s) wished to replace it with a Marxist state.

The vast majority supported the state, and most people had been affected by the civil war, and were content to remove the gun from common ownership.

I do see the value in an armed citizenry. But, in our case, I'd be concerned about volatility, and the frequency with which the very extreme would kick off armed insurrection. We have an 800 year habit of it.

[Cormac]

I've been racking my brains for and example of a people that have actually managed to do what Seth is fantasising about, to take their privately owned weapons and successfully fight off a "big brother" government.
You can't count Libya, they would be toast without our missiles and bombs.

Afghanistan is the only one.
So why don't you shoot off over there, Seth? Those boys have your attitude to government, and the same love of guns. You would rather rub shoulders with wolfies than sheepies. So fuck off and join em.
.

Ireland did it from 1916 to 1922

[JimC]

I've been racking my brains for and example of a people that have actually managed to do what Seth is fantasising about, to take their privately owned weapons and successfully fight off a "big brother" government.
You can't count Libya, they would be toast without our missiles and bombs.

Afghanistan is the only one.
So why don't you shoot off over there, Seth? Those boys have your attitude to government, and the same love of guns. You would rather rub shoulders with wolfies than sheepies. So fuck off and join em.
.

Ireland did it from 1916 to 1922

Rather different, since "The Troubles" involved getting rid of an overseas power, rather than a national government (no matter how corrupt...)

[Cormac]

I've been racking my brains for and example of a people that have actually managed to do what Seth is fantasising about, to take their privately owned weapons and successfully fight off a "big brother" government.
You can't count Libya, they would be toast without our missiles and bombs.

Afghanistan is the only one.
So why don't you shoot off over there, Seth? Those boys have your attitude to government, and the same love of guns. You would rather rub shoulders with wolfies than sheepies. So fuck off and join em.
.

Ireland did it from 1916 to 1922

Rather different, since "The Troubles" involved getting rid of an overseas power, rather than a national government (no matter how corrupt...)

Britain considered itself to be the legitimate government.

[JimC]

I've been racking my brains for and example of a people that have actually managed to do what Seth is fantasising about, to take their privately owned weapons and successfully fight off a "big brother" government.
You can't count Libya, they would be toast without our missiles and bombs.

Afghanistan is the only one.
So why don't you shoot off over there, Seth? Those boys have your attitude to government, and the same love of guns. You would rather rub shoulders with wolfies than sheepies. So fuck off and join em.
.

Ireland did it from 1916 to 1922

Rather different, since "The Troubles" involved getting rid of an overseas power, rather than a national government (no matter how corrupt...)

Britain considered itself to be the legitimate government.

True, and your comparison has some merit, but there are also differences...

[Cormac]

I've been racking my brains for and example of a people that have actually managed to do what Seth is fantasising about, to take their privately owned weapons and successfully fight off a "big brother" government.
You can't count Libya, they would be toast without our missiles and bombs.

Afghanistan is the only one.
So why don't you shoot off over there, Seth? Those boys have your attitude to government, and the same love of guns. You would rather rub shoulders with wolfies than sheepies. So fuck off and join em.
.

Ireland did it from 1916 to 1922

Rather different, since "The Troubles" involved getting rid of an overseas power, rather than a national government (no matter how corrupt...)

Britain considered itself to be the legitimate government.

True, and your comparison has some merit, but there are also differences...

The only real difference is that the liberation movement and supporting citizenry, were initially unarmed. Guns were secured eventually, but arms and ammo were always scarce. There wasn't an armed citizenry. Had there been, perhaps we'd have succeeded earlier. Perhaps re movement would have destroyed itself before maturing into the hardnosed and effective force that it became.

[Wumbologist]

I've ONCE shot after a single beer, not enough to cloud my safety judgment, but I could notice a huge difference in accuracy.

I once blasted off a full 30 round magazine of an M1 Garand as fast as I could pull the trigger into a dead treestump from 20 yards away when I was stoned...

I think I hit it a few times...

Where did you find an M1 Garand that fit 30 rounds in the magazine?

[laklak]

Hmm, y'know, there are BAC limits for driving. Are there such limits for carrying a firearm? If not, there should be.

Limit for drinking while carrying?
Yes, in Montana the limit is zero. You may not handle or carry a weapon while drinking or intoxicated. Sober carry only and no carry at all into bars.

Same here, zero tolerance.

[Wumbologist]

Hmm, y'know, there are BAC limits for driving. Are there such limits for carrying a firearm? If not, there should be.

Limit for drinking while carrying?
Yes, in Montana the limit is zero. You may not handle or carry a weapon while drinking or intoxicated. Sober carry only and no carry at all into bars.

Same here, zero tolerance.

We can carry into bars here (shocking in anti-gun MA), but obviously can't be intoxicated. I'm not sure whether "intoxicated" means legally over the limit or zero tolerance, but I don't intend to be the test case either.