What would a true communist society/country look like?

[sandinista]

so, yah, you're a librarian, ah, fuck, I mean libertarian?

Just another dodge. Why do you even bother posting here? You're obviously about as educated on the topic of communism as a first year college kid who just heard one of his former hippie radical professors speak for five minutes on the topic.

Again, nothing to say so resort to insults. Popular form of "debate" for you isn't it. Ridiculous. Not a dodge, just a question.

[AnInconvenientScotsman]

The deciding of ability and need, like I said, in a group of willing participators, would not be a problem as the participants choose to take part in the system, understanding everything involved in it. In that case their freedom is not violated. If it's not true in every case, it's not a necessary follow-on of Communism. That's just theory though (and pedantic, upon reflection) and your perfectly correct when it comes to actually implementing Communism.

[Coito ergo sum]

so, yah, you're a librarian, ah, fuck, I mean libertarian?

Just another dodge. Why do you even bother posting here? You're obviously about as educated on the topic of communism as a first year college kid who just heard one of his former hippie radical professors speak for five minutes on the topic.

Again, nothing to say so resort to insults. Popular form of "debate" for you isn't it. Ridiculous. Not a dodge, just a question.

Give me a break. I've provided direct answers to all your inquiries, and explanations. All you do is dodge, and evade. And, then you make stupid comments like "duh...librarian....libertarian!"

If you'll actually post something of substance, we can talk.

[AnInconvenientScotsman]

"duh...librarian....libertarian!"

Am I the only person imagining Jim Carrey saying this?

[PsychoSerenity]

Never mind Coito, you seem to have an unusual aversion to seeing anything positive in the concepts of communism. I don't think there's anything I can say to you, that would make you see it from the point of view of someone who would advocate it.

Why? Because I don't state your position for you?

You haven't even tried. Why do you need to be reassured that I will agree with you before you state your point of view?

No, because I don't have a position (at least not one that's particularly relevant), and because you seem to have taken a position before contemplating the concepts.

For example:

I've evaluated what I have read, and what people have told me about different concepts of communism. At the heart of it, it appears to be anathema to Enlightenment liberalism, and there does not appear to be a way to base a system on "from each according to his ability, and to each according to his need" without crushing individual liberty. If I'm missing something, I'd sure like to know. Please enlighten me.

I could equally say, there does not appear to be a way to base a system on "to each according to his ability to take it, from each according to his inability to defend it" without crushing individual liberty. Except that I can see a way that system could work without crushing individual liberty, in the same way that I can see the communist system working without crushing individual liberty.

But if you can't see it, there's nothing I can do about it, it's something you've got to see for yourself. I don't know. Like I said, I don't think there's anything I can say to you, that would make you see it from the point of view of someone who would advocate it, because it seems you've already decided that you won't advocate it. Sorry, I give up.

[sandinista]

so, yah, you're a librarian, ah, fuck, I mean libertarian?

Just another dodge. Why do you even bother posting here? You're obviously about as educated on the topic of communism as a first year college kid who just heard one of his former hippie radical professors speak for five minutes on the topic.

Again, nothing to say so resort to insults. Popular form of "debate" for you isn't it. Ridiculous. Not a dodge, just a question.

Give me a break. I've provided direct answers to all your inquiries, and explanations. All you do is dodge, and evade. And, then you make stupid comments like "duh...librarian....libertarian!"

If you'll actually post something of substance, we can talk.

talk about dodging.

[Ian]

so, yah, you're a librarian, ah, fuck, I mean libertarian?

Just another dodge. Why do you even bother posting here? You're obviously about as educated on the topic of communism as a first year college kid who just heard one of his former hippie radical professors speak for five minutes on the topic.

Again, nothing to say so resort to insults. Popular form of "debate" for you isn't it. Ridiculous. Not a dodge, just a question.

Give me a break. I've provided direct answers to all your inquiries, and explanations. All you do is dodge, and evade. And, then you make stupid comments like "duh...librarian....libertarian!"

If you'll actually post something of substance, we can talk.

talk about dodging.

So I guess you've both reached a dead end, and now this thread can die. Right?

[sandinista]

pretty much. I could start a "What would a true libertarian society/country look like" thread.

[PsychoSerenity]

So I guess you've both reached a dead end, and now this thread can die. Right?

Yep

[Coito ergo sum]

pretty much. I could start a "What would a true libertarian society/country look like" thread.

Start it all you want. Since I don't advocate libertarianism, or claim that some form of true or pure libertarianism would ever work in the real world, I wouldn't be a participant. There are some others around who seem to espouse libertarianism that might be able to help you.

[Coito ergo sum]

so, yah, you're a librarian, ah, fuck, I mean libertarian?

Just another dodge. Why do you even bother posting here? You're obviously about as educated on the topic of communism as a first year college kid who just heard one of his former hippie radical professors speak for five minutes on the topic.

Again, nothing to say so resort to insults. Popular form of "debate" for you isn't it. Ridiculous. Not a dodge, just a question.

Give me a break. I've provided direct answers to all your inquiries, and explanations. All you do is dodge, and evade. And, then you make stupid comments like "duh...librarian....libertarian!"

If you'll actually post something of substance, we can talk.

talk about dodging.

Considering you did not ask a question, I could not possibly have dodged anything.

The last question you asked, I answered directly.

[sandinista]

Considering you did not ask a question, I could not possibly have dodged anything.

The last question you asked, I answered directly.

I am just asking if you consider yourself a libertarian , you seem to follow all the same dogma.

Thats not a question?

You did get around to saying "Since I don't advocate libertarianism". But it does seem like you do. When all you go on about is this dream world of "individual liberty" that looks like advocating libraianism. So, what are you advocating then? hint...thats a question.

[Coito ergo sum]

Considering you did not ask a question, I could not possibly have dodged anything.

The last question you asked, I answered directly.

I am just asking if you consider yourself a libertarian , you seem to follow all the same dogma.

Thats not a question?

Ah, I did not see that question. I think I've already told you before - but, in case there is any question: No - absolutely not. I do not in the least consider myself to be a libertarian.

You did get around to saying "Since I don't advocate libertarianism". But it does seem like you do.

I don't.

I am sure I share some of their beliefs - such as being pro-choice on abortion - but, that doesn't mean I "am" a libertarian any more than it makes me a socialist or a Democrat.

When all you go on about is this dream world of "individual liberty"

I never went on about any dream world. I think individual liberty is good. I never said there is a dream world of individual liberty, though.

that looks like advocating libraianism.

I'm not, though. I do not agree with, for example, privatized police forces, or, like some libertarians advocate, the right to sell oneself into slavery. I also don't agree with allowing markets so free that monopolies can flourish - I support strong anti-trust laws.

So, what are you advocating then? hint...thats a question.

I've explained that before on this thread.

Politically, I am a liberal republican (small r). Economically, I support regulated free market capitalism. Philosophically, I'm Epicurean, with a dash of Heraclitian Flux. Religiously, I'm atheist.

I think the Big Sleep is underrated, and the African Queen is way friggin' overrated, as far as Bogey flicks go. The Hangover was hilarious. I like British humor, for some unknown reason. The two best short stories ever written are Jack London's "To Build A Fire," and Ambrose Bierce's "An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge." And, I always wanted to meet Abbie Hoffman.

[AnInconvenientScotsman]

I like British humor, for some unknown reason.

Because we're fucking epic, that's why

[Coito ergo sum]

I like British humor, for some unknown reason.

Because we're fucking epic, that's why

I liked Monty Python, the Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin, and anything by Doug Adams.

For some reason, if I'm channel surfing, I always stop to watch "Are You Being Served" or "Keeping Up Appearances" if they are on PBS at the time. I don't know why. Those shows suck, but they're good.