maiforpeace wrote:
Seems to me that news story would have been circulated by now...I wonder why we haven't heard anything on the national news?
Oh that news has been around since the beginning, there are just more details on the witness now. You just have to pick and chose your news reports and look for the real facts because I noticed most news reports were full of false speculation. How long did that false report of "fucking coons" go on for? An audio expert denied that report even before it made the big headlines.
I wonder why the media keeps showing a picture of Trayvon when he was 13 instead of more recent pictures showing him as six-two flashing gang signs or looking threatening?
Why isn't this picture of Zimmerman making the news?
Still more to come though, I'm sure we'll hear what Taryvon did to earn a school suspension. My money is on fighting
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Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense. Police found blood on his face and the back of his head as well as grass on the back of his shirt.
That jibes with what Cheryl Brown's teenage son witnessed while walking his dog that night. Thirteen-year-old Austin stepped out his front door and heard people fighting, he told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday.
"I heard screaming and crying for help," he said. "I heard, 'Help me.' "
It was dark, and the boy did not see how the fight started, in fact, he only saw one person, a man in a red shirt — Zimmerman — who was on the ground.
The boy said he is not sure who called for help. After a moment, his dog escaped, and he turned to catch it and a few seconds later heard a gunshot, he said.
"When I heard the shot, the screaming stopped," he said.
He then rushed inside and told his sister to call police.
But later in the same article:
Sanford police on Thursday also challenged a WFTV-Channel 9 report, in which Mary Cutcher said police largely ignored her even though she told them, "I know this was not self-defense. There was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling."
Who is this Mary Cutcher and what's her testimony? Apparently, she only heard things that she later interpreted into an account of what happened that contradicts what the one eye-witness claims to have seen, as well as the 911 recording.
"Blew us off, and I called him back again and I said, "I know this was not self-defense. There was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling,'" Cutcher said.
Cutcher said she believes whatever confrontation there was, it ended before they got to her backyard.
She also said she believes Zimmerman continued to chase Martin as he tried to get home.
Police said Zimmerman had a "bloody nose and blood on the back of his head," and he told police, "He was yelling for someone to help, but no one would."
What's funny is that the early articles from the local paper had the correct details and facts from the start, but later retellings of the incident that hit the big time media were lacking essential details and were purposely skewed against Zimmerman. Just the choice of pictures of the two men clearly indicates the bias, especially when they used a four year old picture of Trayvon to make him appear more innocent and less threatening. Sure Trayvon was only 140lbs, but at six two and on the football team he must have known how to tackle.
Voice analysis is trivial and it is well known it is Zimmerman screaming.
911 operator must be retarded, fucking gun shots = send the fucking cops now and stop asking stupid questions.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.
That seems to be what the evidence is pointing towards, but I'm not sure how well known it is, maybe for the reason you mentioned about media bias. There are a lot of Youtube vids claiming to reveal Treyvon's screams on the 911 tapes.
Incidentally, who wants to make some odds on whether or not LA-style race riots erupt if Zimmerman goes free? The US hasn't had any riots in a while, eh?
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Yes, the Florida law is partly to blame. It, along with concealed-carry laws, encourage pinheaded needle-dicks to strap on their new metal phallus and go out and prove their manliness. It is incidents like this that led to the laws that allow us to live in a polite society without the thugs walking around waving their 9mm wanker.
The most recent version of the Wikipedia article (ATM) seems pretty balanced to me: it takes up everything that has been mentioned in this thread and then some: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin
Tyrannical wrote:
... picture of Trayvon ... looking threatening?
If you seriously interpret that picture as threatening, I suggest that the problem is between you ears and nowhere else. If that^^ look is "threatening", then MiM and ED are "threatening" daily - every time they are deep in thought.
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This could have been my son. Exact feeling the President had. Kids of all races wear hoodies.
I was followed many times when I came to Georgia when walking with John, my husband. He's black, I'm white. It really starts to "totally annoy" you after a while. One time John and I drove to a spot where we could see the fireworks better, and some "white hick" parked right in front of us. Looking at us. I got reallly pissed and said "what the fuck are you looking at, you dumb ass hillbilly!" "I felt really confrontational" and wanted to bust him in the face."
This story hits home to me very personally, and as I said before, not if, but when Zimmerman goes to prison, he won't last long. I hope very painfully not long.
No offence, kiki, but that kind of thinking fuels mob mentality. Just because dumbass hillbillies look at you crossways for being married to a black guy doesn't mean Zimmerman is guilty. It's a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier about letting one's personal issues influence one's reasoning instead of looking objectively at the evidence and evaluating its significance regardless of one's preferred outcome. If he's guilty, let him pay. I'll be glad to see it. But he's not one of the dumbass hillbillies who give you crossways looks. He's latino and there's some evidence to support his story that should be considered before hooking him up to the electric chair.
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
Is it justice to decide a case without analyzing the evidence? I'd hope no one ever did that to your son should he ever be in a similar situation, especially based on his skin color.
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
when I was in high school, had a very thick accent, and was picked on by the "in American girl" crowd. For what???? Just because I was a foreigner!
And it didn't stop until I almost beat one of them to a pulp.
. And then when they come back, they can 