Gabrielle Giffords Shot

[Trolldor]

Here's an idea. Make it illegal to possess and carry a handun unless you go through a very rigorous vetting proceedure...

Alternatively, make it a requirement for everyone to carry a gun so that Gifford's lack of a security detail wouldn't be quite as big a blunder.

Yeah, arm everyone. Especially conspiracy nuts, red neck racist border patrols and Republicans.

[maiforpeace]

Forget about the shooting and this kid for a second, CES. Do you hold the position that the right wing rhetoric and language is perfectly acceptable?

Right wingers think it's perfectly acceptable it seems...

RNC rejects joint 'civility' statement

Various members of the DNC — including Chairman Tim Kaine, Executive Director Jen O’Malley Dillon and Communications Director Brad Woodhouse — contacted their respective RNC counterparts this week in hopes of getting RNC Chairman Michael Steele to co-sign a document with Kaine that, in part, called for “elected officials of both parties to set an example of the civility we want to see in our citizenry.”

“We also call on all Americans to respect differences of opinion, to refrain from inappropriate forms of intimidation, to reject violence and vandalism, and to scale back rhetoric that might reasonably be misinterpreted by those prone to such behavior,” read the proposed joint statement.

The Republican National Committee has rejected a proposal from its Democratic counterpart to sign a joint “civility” statement

Mark DeMoss Disbands 'Civility Project,' Citing Conservative Attacks, Grim View On Discourse

DeMoss, an evangelical conservative with ties to some big-name Republicans, cited a general lack of interest, as well as pervading signs that the nature of political discourse appeared only to be deteriorating during Obama's first two years as president, as justifications for halting his program.

In a recent interview with The New York Times, DeMoss provided a little insight about how his project was received by some on the right.

"The worst e-mails I received about the civility project were from conservatives with just unbelievable language about communists, and some words I wouldn't use in this phone call," DeMoss told The Times. "This political divide has become so sharp that everything is black and white, and too many conservatives can see no redeeming value in any liberal or Democrat. That would probably be true about some liberals going the other direction, but I didn't hear from them."

[Rob]

Here's an idea. Make it illegal to possess and carry a handun unless you go through a very rigorous vetting proceedure...

Alternatively, make it a requirement for everyone to carry a gun so that Gifford's lack of a security detail wouldn't be quite as big a blunder.

The day something even close to this happens is the day I move the UK. Australia possibly but to my understanding they are having flooding issues at the moment.

[JimC]

Here's an idea. Make it illegal to possess and carry a handun unless you go through a very rigorous vetting proceedure...

Alternatively, make it a requirement for everyone to carry a gun so that Gifford's lack of a security detail wouldn't be quite as big a blunder.

The day something even close to this happens is the day I move the UK. Australia possibly but to my understanding they are having flooding issues at the moment.

Come to Melbourne, mate! Lots of high ground, and a much higher average IQ than the rest of Oz...

[JimC]

Here's an idea. Make it illegal to possess and carry a handun unless you go through a very rigorous vetting proceedure...

Alternatively, make it a requirement for everyone to carry a gun so that Gifford's lack of a security detail wouldn't be quite as big a blunder.

I can treat this as a piece of amusing, dry-humoured rhetoric, and smile...

Or I can treat it as a considered opinion, and despair...

I am being driven steadily in the Gawd and Sandinista direction...

Quite seriously.

[Clinton Huxley]

More vigilantism is definitely the answer.

The "Bruce Willis Fallacy".

[Atheist-Lite]

There's a Australian intelligesia but their mostly living in New Zealand.

[Coito ergo sum]

Here's an idea. Make it illegal to possess and carry a handun unless you go through a very rigorous vetting proceedure...

Alternatively, make it a requirement for everyone to carry a gun so that Gifford's lack of a security detail wouldn't be quite as big a blunder.

The day something even close to this happens is the day I move the UK. Australia possibly but to my understanding they are having flooding issues at the moment.

One word: Switzerland. Number of private homes with firearms is estimated at about 3 million. Population 7.75 million.

[Clinton Huxley]

Love that chaps concealed fire-arm.

[Coito ergo sum]

“He was a nihilist and loves causing chaos, and that is probably why he did the shooting, along with the fact he was sick in the head,” said Zane Gutierrez, 21,

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/us/12 ... .html?_r=1

The new details from Mr. Gutierrez about Mr. Loughner — including his philosophy of anarchy and his expertise with a handgun, suggest that the earliest signs of behavior that may have ultimately led to the attacks started several years ago.

Mr. Gutierrez said his friend had become obsessed with the meaning of dreams and their importance. He talked about reading Friedrich Nietzsche’s book “The Will To Power” and embraced ideas about the corrosive, destructive effects of nihilism — a belief in nothing. And every day, his friend said, Mr. Loughner would get up and write in his dream journal, recording the world he experienced in sleep and its possible meanings.

“Jared felt nothing existed but his subconscious,” Mr. Gutierrez said. “The dream world was what was real to Jared, not the day-to-day of our lives.”

And that dream world, his friend said, could be downright strange.

“He would ask me constantly, ‘Do you see that blue tree over there?’ He would admit to seeing the sky as orange and the grass as blue,” Mr. Gutierrez said. “Normal people don’t talk about that stuff.”

He added that Mr. Loughner “used the word hollow to describe how fake the real world was to him.”

[Feck]

I see those nice people at the Westbourne Baptist Church want to picket the funerals.

Yeah, that'll help.

I want to beat him to death with a toffee hammer while listening to the Beatles ..does that make me a bad person ?

[maiforpeace]

I see those nice people at the Westbourne Baptist Church want to picket the funerals.

Yeah, that'll help.

I want to beat him to death with a toffee hammer while listening to the Beatles ..does that make me a bad person ?

Arizona passed some emergency legislation to prevent this thank goodness.

Arizona Passes Law to Prevent Funeral Demonstrations

[Coito ergo sum]

I see those nice people at the Westbourne Baptist Church want to picket the funerals.

Yeah, that'll help.

I want to beat him to death with a toffee hammer while listening to the Beatles ..does that make me a bad person ?

Arizona passed some emergency legislation to prevent this thank goodness.

Arizona Passes Law to Prevent Funeral Demonstrations

If only Loughner would have had a hard-on for these jack-a-lopes instead of Giffords.... would 'twere it were so...

[mistermack]

One word: Switzerland. Number of private homes with firearms is estimated at about 3 million. Population 7.75 million.

Another one of your misleading "facts" coito.
Have you checked WHY there are so many guns in Swiss homes?
.

[Coito ergo sum]

One word: Switzerland. Number of private homes with firearms is estimated at about 3 million. Population 7.75 million.

Another one of your misleading "facts" coito.
Have you checked WHY there are so many guns in Swiss homes?
.

Yes, I did. Did you? And, how does that make my "facts" misleading? The facts are the facts. Am I wrong? How?

The Swiss basically have a requirement for people under 30, due to the "militia" being, essentially, every male in the country. After the age of 30, a person is given the option to keep their gun, but if they keep it, it is reduced from full auto to semi-auto.

If you look at the conversation we were having, someone referenced a law requiring everyone to have a gun. This is just about what they have in Switzerland, so it was kind of humorous to post the Switzerland example alongside the person's comment that if we did something like that in the US, he or she would move out of the country.

My facts were not "misleading," unless you assume I was making some assertion other than what the facts were. Are you saying the numbers are wrong? On what basis? What are the real numbers? If you're not saying the numbers I posted are wrong, then I haven't mislead anyone, since I didn't say they meant anything in particular.