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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:26 pm

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pErvin wrote:It was the confederacy (represented by Lee in this case) that was the oppressor. If these fucks want the confederacy back then they should fuck off to Texas and reform it there or something. Otherwise, they are living in the wrong century and need to wake up to that fact.

No they dont, they can march their sorry asses all over the place, and then right back to their insignificant fucking holes.

Or, they can share the stage in whatever reality show we're being fed now. :roll:
yes, let's pander to a demonstrably genocidal ideology. We should just sit down and have a cup of tea with them and talk it all out. Meanwhile, back in reality...
What reality would that be? The one where Clinton won the popular vote by how many again? And that despite all the controversy, and the fact that is was fuckin Clinton for christ sake. Or where a black man just served for 8 years as the president? Where every school teaches tolerance from day 1, universities and colleges champion diversity and inclusion. Where gay marriage is not only legal but supported by a majority? Where drugs are becoming decriminalized, and even states in the south are recognizing addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one?

You've convinced me to make this a project. There must be loads of data showing I'm right, and I'm going to find it all... :lol:
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:34 pm

The reality where respecting Nazis is naive.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:38 pm

Can we get a Nazi under the bed smiley, please?
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:53 pm

Did you miss the news the last few days?
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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:08 pm

That's one of my points, I thought anyway.

"Or join the stage in whatever reality show we're being fed now"

There's a deeper phenomenon at play here, but I'm not able to put my finger on it exactly. I think the theater analogy is as close as I've come so far.

Anyway, we can agree to hate nazis -fuck'em. :cheers:
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Post by laklak » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:15 pm

Not ALL Nazis...

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Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:28 pm

:lol:

This is a test isn't it?
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Post by Jason » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:45 pm

pErvin wrote:The reality where respecting Nazis is naive.
Dehumanizing and disenfranchising any group is deplorable. I'm not in favour of the white supremacists, but I am in favour of their right to air their odious views as a function of free speech. It's up to responsible members of a free society to turn a deaf ear to their rhetoric, not to attempt to violently silence it. Violence begets more violence and marginalized and oppressed groups often turn to violent means of expression when their freedom of speech is denied. The left doesn't come away clean in this.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:30 pm

GoDaddy is deplorably disenfranchising the 'Daily Stormer.' Oh, the humanity!

"Anonymous claims it didn't target Daily Stormer, as GoDaddy withdraws hosting for the site"
The neo-nazi website Daily Stormer was told by its server host, GoDaddy, that it had 24 hours to find a new hosting service as it had violated the host's terms of service, after it published a deeply offensive article relating to Heather Heyer, the victim of the fatal car attack at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville on Saturday.

The Daily Stormer allegedly concocted a fake post on its site, claiming that the hacker group Anonymous had taken over the site and would be shutting it down. However, Anonymous has since said through one of its recognized Twitter accounts that the takedown does not appear to be from one of their collectives, and suggested that it had probably been orchestrated by Andrew Anglin, the owner of Daily Stormer and author of the article about Heather Heyer, which caused GoDaddy to end their hosting contract with the site.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:59 pm

Regarding the myth that Robert E. Lee didn't own slaves until he inherited them from his father in 1857, 'tain't 'xactly true.

"Arlington, Bobby Lee, and the 'Peculiar Institution'"
Lee first came to slave ownership in 1829 when, newly out of West Point, he inherited several slaves from his mother's estate. Lee quickly discovered, [Elizabeth Brown] Pryor [author of Reading the Man: A Portrait of Robert E. Lee Through His Private Letters] writes, that for him slaveholding represented "an uncomfortable stewardship." He found supervision of the their work to be distracting from his own career, and disliked the daily details of managing and providing for them. He found slaves to be, in Pryor's words, "more trouble than they were worth." To relieve himself of the day-to-day responsibility for them, and to provide additional cash for his household, Lee soon took to hiring out his bondsmen and -women. This practice, common among slaveholders in Lee's circle, makes it difficult to track his ownership of slaves in detail over the next three decades. Freeman believed that Lee had divested himself of slaves by 1847, based on Freeman's failure to find any relevant tax records, and Lee's own son, Robert Jr., claimed that his father had manumitted all his slaves "a long time before the war." Pryor counters that Lee definitely owned slaves as late as 1852, considered buying more shortly before the war began, and throughout the war itself used slaves as personal servants. Whether Lee directly and personally owned slaves at a given point before or during the war, Pryor would argue, is almost immaterial, for presence of slaves and the benefit of their labor was an intimate and familiar part of Lee's daily life until the end of the Civil War.
More Lee mythbusting from The Atlantic:

"The Myth of the Kindly General Lee"
White supremacy does not “violate” Lee’s “most fundamental convictions.” White supremacy was one of Lee’s most fundamental convictions.

Lee was a slaveowner—his own views on slavery were explicated in an 1856 letter that it often misquoted to give the impression that Lee was some kind of an abolitionist. In the letter, he describes slavery as “a moral & political evil,” but goes on to explain that:
I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy.
The argument here is that slavery is bad for white people, good for black people, and most importantly, it is better than abolitionism; emancipation must wait for divine intervention. That black people might not want to be slaves does not enter into the equation; their opinion on the subject of their own bondage is not even an afterthought to Lee.

Lee’s cruelty as a slavemaster was not confined to physical punishment. In Reading the Man, the historian Elizabeth Brown Pryor’s portrait of Lee through his writings, Pryor writes that “Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families,” by hiring them off to other plantations, and that “by 1860 he had broken up every family but one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days.” The separation of slave families was one of the most unfathomably devastating aspects of slavery, and Pryor wrote that Lee’s slaves regarded him as “the worst man I ever see.”

The trauma of rupturing families lasted lifetimes for the enslaved—it was, as my colleague Ta-Nehisi Coates described it, “a kind of murder.” After the war, thousands of the emancipated searched desperately for kin lost to the market for human flesh, fruitlessly for most. In Reconstruction, the historian Eric Foner quotes a Freedmen’s Bureau agent who notes of the emancipated, “in their eyes, the work of emancipation was incomplete until the families which had been dispersed by slavery were reunited.”

Lee’s heavy hand on the Arlington plantation, Pryor writes, nearly led to a slave revolt, in part because the enslaved had been expected to be freed upon their previous master’s death, and Lee had engaged in a dubious legal interpretation of his will in order to keep them as his property, one that lasted until a Virginia court forced him to free them.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:59 pm

As for 'violence begets violence,' it's terrible what those wretched anti-fa politically correct assholes have incited in the white supremacist movement. If they'd just let the neo-Nazis and their pals alone, none of it would have happened, I guess.

"FBI and DHS Warned of Growing Threat From White Supremacists Months Ago"
The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.

Even as President Donald Trump continues to resist calling out white supremacists for violence, federal law enforcement has made clear that it sees these types of domestic extremists as a severe threat. The report, dated May 10, says the FBI and DHS believe that members of the white supremacist movement “likely will continue to pose a threat of lethal violence over the next year.”

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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:32 pm

And when the Feds say it's a threat by golly, it's a threat. I say expand their powers even further. -oh yeah, let's do this. :td:
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:50 pm

They're just trying to peacefully express themselves, of course. The repeated, ongoing reports of white supremacist violence are fake news.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:36 pm

Look what those damn lefties (not to mention the government of the US) made this poor fellow do:

"Oklahoma man charged in anti-government bomb plot"
The FBI has arrested an Oklahoma man on charges that he tried to detonate what he thought was a 1,000-pound bomb, acting out of a hatred for the U.S. government and an admiration for Oklahoma City bomber Timothy Mc­Veigh, according to court papers.

Jerry Drake Varnell was arrested shortly after an early Saturday morning attempt to detonate a fake bomb packed into what he believed was a stolen cargo van outside a bank in Oklahoma City, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court. He was charged with attempted destruction of a building by means of an explosive.

According to the complaint, over the course of a months-long undercover investigation by the FBI, Varnell made repeated statements about the extent of his hatred of the federal government.

In one conversation he said he believed in the “Three Percenter” ideology — a form of anti-government activism that pledges resistance against the United States government on the belief it has infringed on the Constitution, according to court papers. Those who subscribe to the ideology incorrectly believe that only 3 percent of the colonial population participated in the American Revolution, and they see themselves as their heirs.

Varnell, 23, allegedly discussed a number of potential targets, including the Eccles Federal Reserve Board Building in Washington, D.C., an IRS building in Maryland and a Bank of America data center in Texas. Eventually, he settled on attacking a BancFirst building in Oklahoma City, the court papers say.

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:54 am

Śiva wrote:
pErvin wrote:The reality where respecting Nazis is naive.
Dehumanizing and disenfranchising any group is deplorable.
Stopped reading here. WTF is wrong with some people?! We are talking about Nazism. The most evil ideology ever unleashed on the world. People who support that shit are subhuman.
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