maiforpeace wrote:kiki5711 wrote:Can you tell me for sure that this is not what Islam is going to demand here once it gets a good foot hold?
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Letting them build the mosque at ground zero is one step closer to letting Islam get a foot hold here?
Do you honestly think Islam would have a chance of getting a foot hold, ever, in the US? A predominantly Christian nation? A nation with a government that specifically calls for separation of church and state? Sorry Kiki, but that does sound a bit paranoid.
Wouldn't it be something if they just said they would build the Mosque elsewhere. That would take the piss out of all the fear-mongering the tea party is totally capitalizing on. Maybe this is a right wing conspiracy?
And, why are they limiting their protests to ground zero. FYI, they just opened the first Muslim University in Bezerkly, CA...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/0 ... 68797.html
With all due respect, it is not the tea party and it is not fear mongering that has most people opposed to the awful Cordoba Initiative putting up their supposed "cultural center." It is not bigotry. It is OPPOSITION TO the bigotry and intolerance of Imam Rauf, Daisy Khan and the awful Cordoba Initiative. Mosques are built in the US all the time without incident or comment or public outcry. It's THIS mosque, by THIS group that's the problem.
The Cordoba Initiative specifically seeks to have secular governments made "Sha'ria Compliant" (whatever that means).
You said it correctly when you asked why are they limiting the protests to ground zero? Why? Because most Americans are not opposed to Muslims worshiping as they please in the US. They oppose the ground zero mosque because behind it is a group that supports terrorist groups, advocates for Sha'ria law, opposes the separation of mosque and state, and is building this monstrous cultural center as finger in the eye to the United States.
Don't hand-wave away the opposition by attributing it to "tea party" bigotry. It's reasonable opposition to an objectionable organization, and just as those fuckwits at the Cordoba Initiative have a right to worship and advocate their position, so too do the rest of us have the right to oppose them and their project.
If they were truly looking to build bridges, they would take the opposition seriously, and try to understand the emotions of those who are emotionally troubled by the 9/11 events and the mosque being built so close to the scene of the mass murder. We are asked by Islamic groups constantly to not criticize them because we're blaspheming, to not draw cartoons because they are insulting and cause emotional pain to Muslims, to not insult the "prophet" Muhamat, etc., all in the name of being tolerant and sensitive. Well, it's not just a one way street, and if the Cordoba Initiative truly wants to mend fences with people in the US, they would be trying to compromise. They're not.
And, what exactly is the bridge building sentiment of building this thing and opening on 9/11/10, 10 years to the day after that fateful and horrific day where we watched Islamic Jihadi terrorists murder thousands of people, and got see on live television our countrymen and others leaping to their deaths from a burning building, immolated inside, buried alive and pulverized to mush, trapped, dismembered and slaughtered, all IN THE NAME OF an intolerant, misogynistic, anti-semitic, homophobic, anti-freedom of religion, anti-freedom of speech, anti-Enlightenment, Islamic Jihadi movement\?
If that's mending fences and building bridges, I'll remember to punch them in the face and spit in their eye and expect them to take it as a compliment.
