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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by rainbow » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:43 am

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I am quite familiar with the logistic curve, thank you. It is of particular interest when calculated in an iterative fashion, when chaotic behaviour can be induced by varying just one parameter...
...like a person sneezing on a plane going to LA in January this year?

:sulk: Of course my point is thicky people using the term "exponential" when they should be saying "logistic" :sulk:

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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by NineBerry » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:55 am

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Do the local politicians use this "result" to justify certain political decisions?
Tell me, NB, would there be any deaths caused by the shutdown?

If so, how do you even talk about the trade-off between death-by-covid and death-by-shutdown?

It almost sounds like you don't see a downside to continuing the shutdown, when there is clearly a HUGE downside.
Speaking about non-Corona deaths. There's people not infected with Coronavirus dying because of lockdown measures taken to prevent the spread of the virus. However, a massive spread of the virus has the potential to cause even more non-Corona deaths. A controlled shutdown initiated by the government is far less damaging than a chaotic crash of the whole society because of a marauding virus. Being patient before releasing a lockdown is much better for the economy than releasing it too early and thereby triggering a much more severe lockdown later on or even a catastrophic crash of the society.

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Post by Cunt » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:25 pm

I understand that you are strongly in favour of the lockdown, but as I get it, that slows the spread, but does nothing to stop it.

The slowing was to ensure that our capacity could match the demand.

What I was asking as how do you talk about the trade-off, and it sounds like (for you) it is only worth recognizing the covid deaths, not the 'economic shutdown' deaths (like raids of grocery stores, robberies, suicide etc.)

To me, it sounds like many people forgot that this wasn't a measure to permanently stop the spread, but to 'flatten the curve' of hospitalizations.

So it seems critical to find the balance between killing people this way, vs that way.

You should give this some thought though...some deaths (like triage deaths) are MUCH more politically damaging than other kinds of deaths (disease deaths)

With that in mind, consider that politicians are running things.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:41 pm

My Dad told me today that 8 out of 32 residents in Auntie Peggy's home have died from Covid-19.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:17 pm

...meanwhile my family is protesting restrictions today. :lol:
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:19 pm

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My Dad told me today that 8 out of 32 residents in Auntie Peggy's home have died from Covid-19.
And nothing else? It is seldom that people die solely from the virus as they are already weak from other complaints.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:39 pm

Yes Scot. They're called things like risk factors and comorbidities. They stack up as you get older so that things like viruses are more likely to do you more harm if you get them.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Cunt » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:45 pm

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...meanwhile my family is protesting restrictions today. :lol:
Protest is essential (as in 'essential services')

So how should that be accommodated? I bet it is tricky as fuck to work out.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:08 pm

Everything is relative Cunt. If an existential threat should arrive I'm not thrilled at the prospect of being surrounded by people who can't make even a minor sacrifice. In this case they are protesting a county order to wear masks.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Cunt » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:27 pm

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Everything is relative Cunt. If an existential threat should arrive I'm not thrilled at the prospect of being surrounded by people who can't make even a minor sacrifice. In this case they are protesting a county order to wear masks.
I didn't suggest it wasn't.

Their concern might be right and important, or may be motivated by hatred and laziness.

The right to protest is every bit as important as many other 'essential services'. Accepting that sort of means I have to empathize a bit with them.

This is a fucking weird event, and our usual ways of thinking things through (going to groups and talking to people) is important too. If you can never discuss your stupid idea, you might never find out it was stupid.

The masks thing is particularly weird. We have had directly conflicting messages from government here in Canada.

Anyway, I don't know how to ensure a 'right to protest', but I think it's more important than government cannabis sales. (essential here in Canada)
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:34 pm

The relativity bit is about whether or not all rights exist at all times, or to the same degree at all times. Clearly they don't.

I do empathize with them. For example, it is not entirely fair to suppose they can't make even a minor sacrifice. They are in fact capable of much larger sacrifices, and many of us who can make this sacrifice are blind to the others.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:47 pm

"cant go beach" :lol:
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Cunt » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:48 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:
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The relativity bit is about whether or not all rights exist at all times, or to the same degree at all times. Clearly they don't.
Obviously right. Some rights are (in US parlance) 'natural', or 'god-given' rights, meaning they are more important than, say, rights invented in the last couple centuries.

I do empathize with them. For example, it is not entirely fair to suppose they can't make even a minor sacrifice. They are in fact capable of much larger sacrifices, and many of us who can make this sacrifice are blind to the others.
It's tough to criticise with empathy. I think Trump hit a really good note, when he went the 'Federalist' route of leaving the decisions to the states. In Canada, we get reminded often how detached Ottawa can be, from the needs of Yellowknife or even Edmonton.

But that allows the possibility that some governers will get it wrong. Some citizens, too.

We know how to protest, and not ruin lives. I think it's important to keep that tradition, because it is a lot gentler than the alternative.
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