Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by Matt H » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:11 pm

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Matt H wrote:More cowardice from British MPs. Annoyingly, theyworkforyou.com doesn't have the breakdown of the votes so I can't see which way my MP voted, but seeing as she's a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship, I think she'll have sided with Balls. Balls.
The transcript is here, with a list of which way each member voted:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 2244000001
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She voted 'no'!

I'll email her right now to thank her, and ask for her support regarding homeopathy.

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by misanthropic_clown » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:15 pm

Matt H wrote:
misanthropic_clown wrote:
Matt H wrote:More cowardice from British MPs. Annoyingly, theyworkforyou.com doesn't have the breakdown of the votes so I can't see which way my MP voted, but seeing as she's a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship, I think she'll have sided with Balls. Balls.
The transcript is here, with a list of which way each member voted:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 2244000001
OMG OMG OMG

She voted 'no'!

I'll email her right now to thank her, and ask for her support regarding homeopathy.
Mine voted yes, but he is something of a Labour sheep. I don't think I have seen him do anything other than toe the party line.

I suppose you need to be careful how you read into the intentions. People will vote no either to protest the faith school amendment or because they feel the amendment is not enough. From your earlier description it could well be the latter.

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by I'm With Stupid » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:22 pm

Mine didn't even vote. :roll:
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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by misanthropic_clown » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:26 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:Mine didn't even vote. :roll:
Ok, you win the "who-has-the-suckiest-MP" contest. Perhaps if what I have gathered is true though, occasionally MP's will find someone who intends to vote the other way and they mutually don't bother to show up and vote. So maybe your MP is an organised slacker as opposed to the regular kind.

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by Matt H » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:32 pm

misanthropic_clown wrote:
Matt H wrote:
misanthropic_clown wrote:
Matt H wrote:More cowardice from British MPs. Annoyingly, theyworkforyou.com doesn't have the breakdown of the votes so I can't see which way my MP voted, but seeing as she's a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship, I think she'll have sided with Balls. Balls.
The transcript is here, with a list of which way each member voted:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 2244000001
OMG OMG OMG

She voted 'no'!

I'll email her right now to thank her, and ask for her support regarding homeopathy.
Mine voted yes, but he is something of a Labour sheep. I don't think I have seen him do anything other than toe the party line.

I suppose you need to be careful how you read into the intentions. People will vote no either to protest the faith school amendment or because they feel the amendment is not enough. From your earlier description it could well be the latter.
Very good point. I noticed Ann Widdecombe voted 'no', but as she is a very socially conservative Catholic I expected her to vote yes. Could have been the same with my MP. Regardless, the email is sent.
Dear Caroline Spelman,

I am writing to thank you for voting 'no' to the government amendment
to the Children, Schools and Families Bill. Although the amendment
passed, you and many other members showed that you believe children
have the right to receive education about sex and sexual health in an
objective and balanced manner.

The behaviour of the government in capitulating to a Roman Catholic
pressure group shows they put religious interests before the interests
of children. Seeing as we have one of the highest teenage pregnancy
rates in Europe, as well as the real risk of HIV and other STIs, I
believe more frank and honest education about sex is needed, not less,
and I fear that religious interference could mean some schools resort
to an abstinence-based policy, rather than an honest and
biologically-based approach to the subject.

Although we failed in blocking this amendment, there is a chance we can
succeed in another area. You may have heard of the report of the Select
Committee on Science and Technology regarding the NHS funding of
homeopathy. They reached a science-based decision in recommending the
government should stop this state funding immediately. You can find the
report here if you have not already seen it:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /45/45.pdf

I wish to tell you that I strongly agree with the Committee's findings,
and seeing as your party now claims to be the party of the NHS, I hope
you will too. The millions of pounds wasted on an unfounded,
faith-based system of medicine would be better spent on nurses and
cleaning staff in many of our country's hospitals.

Lastly, I would also like to thank you for your correspondence with me
regarding Royal Succession. I appreciated the time you took to write to
me about a subject which doesn't hold much significance compared to
other issues of the day. I am very grateful.

Yours sincerely,

Matthew Hone

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by misanthropic_clown » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:43 pm

Nice email. It sounds like you bug your MP often, which is good. I get really annoyed with people who spout rubbish about the 'silent majority' in Britain. It's amazing how many people care enough to talk your ear off, but not enough to fling a solitary e-mail or letter in the direction who can do anything about the issue.

I'm interested in how she will respond. I'd think if her intentions with regards to the no-vote were religiously motivated she would probably sidestep that issue!

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by Matt H » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:47 pm

misanthropic_clown wrote:Nice email. It sounds like you bug your MP often, which is good. I get really annoyed with people who spout rubbish about the 'silent majority' in Britain. It's amazing how many people care enough to talk your ear off, but not enough to fling a solitary e-mail or letter in the direction who can do anything about the issue.

I'm interested in how she will respond. I'd think if her intentions with regards to the no-vote were religiously motivated she would probably sidestep that issue!
She has done before when I've written to her recommending secularising the monarchy. We got into a discussion instead about the usefulness of the monarchy itself, and the need for gender equality in its succession. We could agree on that, just not the religious part :D .

She's a damn good MP though, god-botherer or no. She represents my constituency very well in Parliament.

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Post by I'm With Stupid » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:49 pm

For a second I was thinking Caroline Spelman was that other religious anti-abortion campaigner who managed to get herself elected. What's she called? Blonde hair. Proper fundie.
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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by misanthropic_clown » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:58 pm

My MP is pretty good for replying to letters. How he serves the constituency is now a tad irrelevant because there is going to be a boundary change which will put me in a neighbouring constituency. From what I have gathered so far I have a choice between an old-Labour type who has served 3 terms already with increasing majority each time or a Conservative who's seminal role so far seems to have been to manage the PR for the David Davies by-election held over terror detention limits.

Tough call...

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by Nickel » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:00 am

I'm dismayed to learn that my cowardly weasel of an MP, David Kidney, voted in favour of the bill. I think I'll draft a letter. Any suggestions as to what I should put in it? (I might make this a generic template and re-post it for the benefit of the forum)
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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by misanthropic_clown » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:12 am

Nickel wrote:I'm dismayed to learn that my cowardly weasel of an MP, David Kidney, voted in favour of the bill. I think I'll draft a letter. Any suggestions as to what I should put in it? (I might make this a generic template and re-post it for the benefit of the forum)
I would simply urge him to reconsider his position and if the opportunity arises to amend his vote (as could happen if the HOL wants some significant changes) to ensure that religious groups get no measure to prevent a clear and unbiased view of sex education. Essentially this bill has fallen into mediocrity which makes it fundamentally useless. The legislation as it stands pleases neither the religious as they don't get full control or the secular because there will be room for religious spin. This is a case where the middle ground is simply the status quo: compromising undermines the intent of this legislation.

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Post by I'm With Stupid » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:28 am

Nickel wrote:I'm dismayed to learn that my cowardly weasel of an MP, David Kidney, voted in favour of the bill. I think I'll draft a letter. Any suggestions as to what I should put in it? (I might make this a generic template and re-post it for the benefit of the forum)
You might be able to get some good ideas from the Josh Timonen thread. ;)
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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by Matt H » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:38 am

I'm With Stupid wrote:For a second I was thinking Caroline Spelman was that other religious anti-abortion campaigner who managed to get herself elected. What's she called? Blonde hair. Proper fundie.
That is Nadine Dorries, a Tory backbencher. She's also a creationist.

Caroline Spelman is on the Tory front bench, is a member of the CCF and has a shady record in regards to gay rights, but has told me personally that she accepts evolution and science.

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by rumbelow » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:10 am

Rum wrote: The Catholic Church lobbied very hard to get the legislation modified so that they could also express their own position on some of these matters. The end result will be for example - teaching about the existence of homosexuality, but finishing the lesson by saying that the church's position is that practising homosexuals will go to hell..
You see I think this is more than psychological bullying, it amounts to a form of sexual abuse telling kids growing up gay that they are sinners and will go to hell.
It's a true mindfuck mess them up for life sort of thing.

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Re: Teaching sex education in faith based British schools

Post by Animavore » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:12 am

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