Islam4UK

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This protest is akin to a bunch of Nazi's marching through a Remembrance parade. :pissed:

Holocaust Survivors' Protest Still Echoes in Illinois Suburb

[Deep Sea Isopod]

This protest is akin to a bunch of Nazi's marching through a Remembrance parade. :pissed:

Holocaust Survivors' Protest Still Echoes in Illinois Suburb

The neo-Nazis aimed to generate publicity that they hoped would bring in new members and money.

Maybe the anger is clouding my judgement. This is probably the best advice. ..... 'Pull down the shades, don't look at them,'. And if the press have any balls, they wouldn't report it either.

there would be bloodshed......If the NF/BNP are waiting around the corner.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This protest is akin to a bunch of Nazi's marching through a Remembrance parade. :pissed:

Holocaust Survivors' Protest Still Echoes in Illinois Suburb

The neo-Nazis aimed to generate publicity that they hoped would bring in new members and money.

Maybe the anger is clouding my judgement. This is probably the best advice. ..... 'Pull down the shades, don't look at them,'. And if the press have any balls, they wouldn't report it either.

there would be bloodshed......If the NF/BNP are waiting around the corner.

I will not let their voices be the only ones heard.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

It is not an "anti-war" protest as such. It is a protest/commemoration for the "Afghan victims" of the war. Reading between those lines, it is a propaganda campaign promoting the view that the UK & US troops in Afghanistan are "murdering" Afghan civilians.

As others have said, this will be a magnet for counter-demonstrations by far-right, ultra-nationalist groups in the UK. Basically, it will be a magnet for any group with a vested interest, a chip on their shoulder and a thirst for violence and/or publicity. On the publicity front, the fuckers are already winning.

I am not usually one to advocate refusing any group the right to march anywhere but I think that banning this particular march might well be the safest course.

[Pappa]

You have a point, but the idea that the army has discretion concerning the wars it will fight, just because it is professional rather than conscript is suspect and does not for me mean that they are somehow therefore make themselves more available to political attack. The army strictly speaking is 'neutral' and it is the government of the day who are responsible for policy and strategy. If I could bring myself to be one I would be a pacifist, so I am not supporting military action, just the non-political position of the army in the state structure.

I agree that the army has no discretion, but anyone considering joining the army has discretion. They could chose not to sign up. They know that they will be sent to fight in Afghanistan or Iraq, so it's not like they're walking into it naively.

[Pappa]

There is a time and place for protests. A funeral route for fallen troops is not the place, and should be banned.

But why though? I can't think of a better place for an anti-war demo?

War is the governments idea. A tribute to a fallen comrade is an old soldiers idea.
Protest the MP's. Not the loved ones left behind.

If they were conscripts, I'd agree, but they're not. On top of that, the majority of soldiers fighting in Afghanistan actually signed up after the war began. The signed up knowing full well they were likely to go there to do the government's bidding.

The one's who signed up before the war also knew they would have to do the governments bidding. And some may have seen military service as a way of the shit life they were facing.
What about the families of those who signed up to fight in Iraq and Afghastlystan? Many of them didn't want their sons/daughters/brother etc. to sign up at all, but these scum are going to rub their noses in the fact their son is dead, then praise the guy who killed him.

This protest is akin to a bunch of Nazi's marching through a Remembrance parade. :pissed:

Aside from the fact that it's a bunch of Islamist freaks, they do have a right to protest. It it was a bunch of lefties, I doubt people would be making quite as much noise about it being in Wooten Basset.

[JimC]

There is a time and place for protests. A funeral route for fallen troops is not the place, and should be banned.

But why though? I can't think of a better place for an anti-war demo?

War is the governments idea. A tribute to a fallen comrade is an old soldiers idea.
Protest the MP's. Not the loved ones left behind.

If they were conscripts, I'd agree, but they're not. On top of that, the majority of soldiers fighting in Afghanistan actually signed up after the war began. The signed up knowing full well they were likely to go there to do the government's bidding.

The one's who signed up before the war also knew they would have to do the governments bidding. And some may have seen military service as a way of the shit life they were facing.
What about the families of those who signed up to fight in Iraq and Afghastlystan? Many of them didn't want their sons/daughters/brother etc. to sign up at all, but these scum are going to rub their noses in the fact their son is dead, then praise the guy who killed him.

This protest is akin to a bunch of Nazi's marching through a Remembrance parade. :pissed:

I agree - not the right place for any anti-war demo in the first place, and the motives of the islamists is not to regret war, but to foster their own delusions...

[Pappa]

I agree - not the right place for any anti-war demo in the first place, and the motives of the islamists is not to regret war, but to foster their own delusions...

I think they do have a fair point in the sense that many innocent people have been killed in Afghanistan.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

I agree - not the right place for any anti-war demo in the first place, and the motives of the islamists is not to regret war, but to foster their own delusions...

I think they do have a fair point in the sense that many innocent people have been killed in Afghanistan.

And many innocent people have been killed in the twin towers.

[Pappa]

I agree - not the right place for any anti-war demo in the first place, and the motives of the islamists is not to regret war, but to foster their own delusions...

I think they do have a fair point in the sense that many innocent people have been killed in Afghanistan.

And many innocent people have been killed in the twin towers.

Yeah, but the innocent people being killed in Afghanistan are not responsible for the deaths of the innocent people killed in the Twin Towers.... are you suggesting they somehow deserve it?

[Deep Sea Isopod]

I agree - not the right place for any anti-war demo in the first place, and the motives of the islamists is not to regret war, but to foster their own delusions...

I think they do have a fair point in the sense that many innocent people have been killed in Afghanistan.

And many innocent people have been killed in the twin towers.

Yeah, but the innocent people being killed in Afghanistan are not responsible for the deaths of the innocent people killed in the Twin Towers.... are you suggesting they somehow deserve it?

We are not demonstrating at Afghani funerals.

[Pappa]

I agree - not the right place for any anti-war demo in the first place, and the motives of the islamists is not to regret war, but to foster their own delusions...

I think they do have a fair point in the sense that many innocent people have been killed in Afghanistan.

And many innocent people have been killed in the twin towers.

Yeah, but the innocent people being killed in Afghanistan are not responsible for the deaths of the innocent people killed in the Twin Towers.... are you suggesting they somehow deserve it?

We are not demonstrating at Afghani funerals.

Nor are they. They way and place they want to demonstrate is symbolic. I can understand why they're doing it. They want to highlight all the deaths that we ignore.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Nor are they. They way and place they want to demonstrate is symbolic. I can understand why they're doing it. They want to highlight all the deaths that we ignore.

I have to pull you up on that one Pappa. Who ignores them? The media coverage of that attack on the stolen oil tankers where dozens of Afghan civilians were killed was enormous. When the army in Afghanistan fucks up and civilians get killed or injured it is widely publicised.

What is ignored, by islam4uk, are the thousands of Afghan civilians killed, tortured and intimidated by the Taleban through the years. These fuckers are promoting a one-sided, agenda-ridden POV in a way calculated to cause outrage and distress. Cunts.

[Pappa]

Nor are they. They way and place they want to demonstrate is symbolic. I can understand why they're doing it. They want to highlight all the deaths that we ignore.

I have to pull you up on that one Pappa. Who ignores them? The media coverage of that attack on the stolen oil tankers where dozens of Afghan civilians were killed was enormous. When the army in Afghanistan fucks up and civilians get killed or injured it is widely publicised.

What is ignored, by islam4uk, are the thousands of Afghan civilians killed, tortured and intimidated by the Taleban through the years. These fuckers are promoting a one-sided, agenda-ridden POV in a way calculated to cause outrage and distress. Cunts.

I think the media does tend to ignore civilian deaths.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

They don't give a flying fuck about innocent civilians. They are a pro-terrorist organisation, and I'm suprised they haven't been banned yet, like Anjem Choudry's other organisations.
They want the UK to be an Islamist state, similar to the Taleban ruled Afghanistan.

If they want to honour the dead Afghani civilians, they can. They've just got to go to an Afghan/Muslim area of Britain, and hold a ceremony for each one that dies, just like the RBL in Wootton Bassett do for each serviceman killed.