32 months in jail for a blow job

[tattuchu]

Three years in prison for consensual sex is too much. One day in prison for a victimless crime is too much. The stigma of the crime is what has caused harm here, not the so-called crime itself. How can giving a blow job be a crime? Why are we as a society so terrified of sex?

Did you read the article? This is clear cut statutory rape.

Yes I read the article. Technically it's statutory rape because he's under age. Legality aside, it's not rape by any common sense definition. In fact, to say that it's "statutory" rape admits this, that's it's rape only by virtue of statutes or laws. Under no other circumstance other than an artificially imposed prohibition would this be considered rape. Also, keep in mind that when news articles use terms like "lure" and "seduce," they're merely being sensational. Or at least, they're uncritically perpetuating the stereotype of abuser vs victim regardless of circumstance. It's automatically assumed that the older person is preying upon the younger person and that the younger person is a helpless victim incapable of giving consent.
"Hey, do you want a blow job?"
"Fuck yeah!"
*fellatio commences*
What type of twisted and perverted Bizarro world do we live in that the above should be considered rape?!

I never had sex with an older person when I was younger, but I think the reason this sort of thing bothers me so much is that I remember what it was like to be a teen and to be treated as if I were some sort of imbecile simply because I was young, and that I didn't know my own mind.

[maiforpeace]

"Hey, do you want a blow job?"
"Fuck yeah!"
*fellatio commences*
What type of twisted and perverted Bizarro world do we live in that the above should be considered rape?!

Just because the kid is consenting doesn't mean that consent is fully informed. What if that kid had a sexual addiction, for example? So, perhaps it's better categorized as a form of child abuse? (not necessarily for this circumstance, but, in general with cases involving the underage person who clearly has been taken advantage of by an adult)

[devogue]

"Hey, do you want a blow job?"
"Fuck yeah!"
*fellatio commences*
What type of twisted and perverted Bizarro world do we live in that the above should be considered rape?!

Just because the kid is consenting doesn't mean that consent is fully informed. What if that kid had a sexual addiction, for example? So, perhaps it's better categorized as a form of child abuse? (not necessarily for this circumstance, but, in general with cases involving the underage person who clearly has been taken advantage of by an adult)

Just to twist this again slightly - the defence claimed that the teacher was vulnerable - her sister was dying of cancer, she was going through a divorce...shitty excuses for her actions but if "vulnerability" is going to be atken in to account...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The kid was only a year (maximum) below the age of consent as well - this isn't California!

[Animavore]

Never a black and white issue on an atheist site

If this was a Christian site we would have an absolute answer and full agreement.

[Drewish]

When one is a teacher you become the stand in parental / role model figure for a child while they are in your care. Teachers having sex with their students are morally wrong in the same way that inscestual relationships are wrong or a psychiatrist sleeping with their patient is wrong.. I say this as someone who slept with a professor of mine in college.

[devogue]

Never a black and white issue on an atheist site

If this was a Christian site we would have an absolute answer and full agreement.

If it was a Muslim site we'd be complaining he had hair round his balls.

[Animavore]

Never a black and white issue on an atheist site

If this was a Christian site we would have an absolute answer and full agreement.

If it was a Muslim site we'd be complaining he had hair round his balls.

And she'd be stoned to death

[devogue]

When one is a teacher you become the stand in parental / role model figure for a child while they are in your care. Teachers having sex with their students are morally wrong in the same way that inscestual relationships are wrong or a psychiatrist sleeping with their patient is wrong.. I say this as someone who slept with a professor of mine in college.

While I disagree with your comparison with incest, I do agree that she should have been held responsible - there should be a legal deterrent to stop such relationships in their tracks but I just think the punishment was far too great, especially as she held her hands up and admitted guilt right away. 3 years in jail and the sex offenders register for life and losing her job and losing her friends (and quite possibly her family). No future, no hope, no rehabilitation... I just can't help but think that her overall punishment, both by the courts and society, is excessive - it's not like she's Vanessa George.

[tattuchu]

"Hey, do you want a blow job?"
"Fuck yeah!"
*fellatio commences*
What type of twisted and perverted Bizarro world do we live in that the above should be considered rape?!

Just because the kid is consenting doesn't mean that consent is fully informed. What if that kid had a sexual addiction, for example? So, perhaps it's better categorized as a form of child abuse? (not necessarily for this circumstance, but, in general with cases involving the underage person who clearly has been taken advantage of by an adult)

No relationship is going to be exactly equal. One partner will often be stronger emotionally, physically, or both. Does this mean the weaker partner is therefore incapable of informed consent and is being abused? Of course not. It may be the case, but it isn't necessarily so.

As far as the woman being his teacher, I don't see why that automatically makes the relationship abusive. So she has a position of authority over him. Yes. And? Is it assumed here that she must have and undue degree of power and influence over him, and that the relationship must therefore be inherently coercive? Certainly this can be the case, but that doesn't mean that it must therefore in every instance be the case. Is the objection that, because she is his teacher, the relationship is inappropriate? This may be so. How for instance will she avoid playing favorites and fairly grade a student she's shagging? There are of course complications in a relationship such as this. But there's a huge difference between what should inappropriate and what should be illegal.

Just to twist this again slightly - the defence claimed that the teacher was vulnerable - her sister was dying of cancer, she was going through a divorce...shitty excuses for her actions but if "vulnerability" is going to be atken in to account...

This is absolute bullshit but, considering the law, one must attempt to generate sympathy in any way possible. If she were honest, or could be honest, she would simply say, "I was horny, he was horny, we dug each other, we fucked."

[tattuchu]

Forgot to say that, while I never experienced this sort of thing, my sis had sex with one of the teachers in high school. Still a family friend. My mum has no idea He wasn't my sister's teacher, though. He was just a teacher in the school that she was friendly with. Um, well, yeah, very friendly with

[devogue]

Just to twist this again slightly - the defence claimed that the teacher was vulnerable - her sister was dying of cancer, she was going through a divorce...shitty excuses for her actions but if "vulnerability" is going to be taken in to account...

This is absolute bullshit but, considering the law, one must attempt to generate sympathy in any way possible. If she were honest, or could be honest, she would simply say, "I was horny, he was horny, we dug each other, we fucked."

Indeed, but the prosecution are just as guilty of throwing such bullshit about with all their crap about "trauma" and "abuse" with regard to the victim.

I bet he didn't complain about being traumatised when he blew his load in his teacher's mouth (every teenage boys dream). I bet he didn't tell her to stop half way through - it seems that across the eight days he gave in meekly and his trauma was compounded. The whole case stinks - why couldn't they just all tell the fucking truth? So much needless hurt.

[maiforpeace]

For the record, in this particular situation, I'm not sure about the punishment fitting the crime.

"Hey, do you want a blow job?"
"Fuck yeah!"
*fellatio commences*
What type of twisted and perverted Bizarro world do we live in that the above should be considered rape?!

Just because the kid is consenting doesn't mean that consent is fully informed. What if that kid had a sexual addiction, for example? So, perhaps it's better categorized as a form of child abuse? (not necessarily for this circumstance, but, in general with cases involving the underage person who clearly has been taken advantage of by an adult)

No relationship is going to be exactly equal. One partner will often be stronger emotionally, physically, or both. Does this mean the weaker partner is therefore incapable of informed consent and is being abused? Of course not. It may be the case, but it isn't necessarily so.

As far as the woman being his teacher, I don't see why that automatically makes the relationship abusive. So she has a position of authority over him. Yes. And? Is it assumed here that she must have and undue degree of power and influence over him, and that the relationship must therefore be inherently coercive? Certainly this can be the case, but that doesn't mean that it must therefore in every instance be the case. Is the objection that, because she is his teacher, the relationship is inappropriate? This may be so. How for instance will she avoid playing favorites and fairly grade a student she's shagging? There are of course complications in a relationship such as this. But there's a huge difference between what should inappropriate and what should be illegal.

I didn't bring up the teacher/student abuse thing, Andrew did.

And while I agree with you that no relationship is going to be exactly equal, I find this explanation hard to accept in this situation when the age differential is so extreme.

When it comes to whether something constitutes, or doesn't constitute sexual abuse of a child, or statutory rape, I come from the position of it's better to be safe than sorry. I would much rather have possible instances of sexual abuse or statutory rape investigated and determined to be without merit, than for them not to be investigated and let a child be abused and the abuser go free.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

When I was fourteen I was having sex with MILFs. The first one was probably 26, I never ask. I was the happiest kid in my class at school. And it obviously hasn't affected me at all.

[maiforpeace]

When I was fourteen I was having sex with MILFs. The first one was probably 26, I never ask. I was the happiest kid in my class at school. And it obviously hasn't affected me at all.