Russian Collusion with the Democrats

[pErvinalia]

[JimC]

US cold war politicians and soldiers are turning in their graves...

[Forty Two]

Well if we didn't bother to analyze the arguments of those engaging in biased reporting and manufacturing faux scandals, we'd have nobody to read.

In order to get the full, unvarnished truth behind the story I'll wait for what Ann Coulter and Alex Jones have to say before I form my opinion about it.

Well, if biased sources, and biased writers were your issue, you'd have mentioned this on the other threads dealing with Russian collusion allegations.

[Forty Two]

Hillary was a wall Street puppet. They shoveled money at her. She did not need Russian money. The Foundation is legit.

Is that why the donations from foreign governments dried up?

And, Bill picked up a $500,000 donation for a single speaking engagement in Russia, that's legit? https://observer.com/2016/11/foreign-do ... oundation/ Charity Navigator put the Clinton Foundaton on its "watch list." https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/1 ... venue-low/

The Clinton Foundation was a giant slush fund for the Clintons: https://www.natchezdemocrat.com/2017/07 ... oundation/

None of this makes any sense. So, what happened to the money? Was it used to pay for Hillary’s failed presidential campaign? It surely didn’t go to the Haitians.

But we deserve to know what became of the one million plus that the Humana Insurance Company donated to the Clinton Foundation and why those funds have not been used to carry out the work they committed to doing nearly three years ago. National organizations like the Clinton Foundation that have no real connection or investment in small towns have a history of exploiting poor communities in Mississippi and elsewhere, like Haiti. I hope this isn’t the case with the Clinton Foundation, but if it walks and quacks like a duck, it’s likely a duck.

“The ease with which somebody apparently — if you give money to Clinton or the foundation you get personal face-time with Clinton — that’s what it looks like what was done here,” - CNN's Chuck Todd.

This was an influence buying scheme, and everyone knows it.

[Brian Peacock]

Do you think the Russian allegations are true, most likely true, possibly true, most likely not true, or not true?

[Forty Two]

Yebbut Hillary.

It's not Yebbut. You act like it's not legitimate to discuss anyone else besides Trump.

It's possible Hillary is corrupt, isn't it?

[Forty Two]

Do you think the Russian allegations are true, most likely true, possibly true, most likely not true, or not true?

Which ones?

[Brian Peacock]

Russian collusion with the Democrats.

[Forty Two]

Which specific allegation, though? I can't put a likelihood down on the host of allegations presented. It would be like asking "Do you think the Trump allegations are true, most likely true..." etc. You can't put a figure on the entirety, because there are different allegations.

I think this is probably true: "As secretary of State, Hillary Clinton worked with Russian leaders, including Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and then-President Dmitri Medvedev, to create U.S. technology partnerships with Moscow’s version of Silicon Valley, a sprawling high-tech campus known as Skolkovo." And, from the Trump allegations, if someone tries to build a building in Moscow, that's an indication of collusion with the Russian government, because nothing gets built without Putin's say-so.

Wouldn't you say?

Well, let me clarify that the US partnering with Moscow to create a Russian silicon valley is not "collusion" or a crime or immoral or improper, in and of itself. However, I would also say that American companies, including Trump, having tried to open businesses and build buildings in Moscow, and have business dealings with Russia, likewise do not indicate some form of improper "collusion."

I think this is also probably true: "A donor to the Clinton Foundation, Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, led the Russian side of the effort, and several American donors to the Clinton charity got involved. Clinton’s State Department facilitated U.S. companies working with the Russian project, and she personally invited Medvedev to visit Silicon Valley."

How do you think such a thing would be portrayed in the news if it was Trump bullding buildings with oligarch Viktor Vkselberg, who donated to the Trump Foundation, along with American donors to the Trump foundation....? Does that start to sound like collusion?

I think this is probably true: "In 2013, the U.S. military’s leading intelligence think tank in Europe sounded alarm that the Skolkovo project might be a front for economic and military espionage. “Skolkovo is an ambitious enterprise, aiming to promote technology transfer generally, by inbound direct investment, and occasionally, through selected acquisitions. As such, Skolkovo is arguably an overt alternative to clandestine industrial espionage — with the additional distinction that it can achieve such a transfer on a much larger scale and more efficiently,” EUCOM’s intelligence bulletin wrote in 2013."

[Brian Peacock]

Not even broadly speaking; in essence, etc?

[rainbow]

Yebbut Hillary.

It's not Yebbut. You act like it's not legitimate to discuss anyone else besides Trump.

It's possible Hillary is corrupt, isn't it?

Who gives a toss. She isn't the President of YouSay.

Trumplestiltskin is.

[Forty Two]

Not even broadly speaking; in essence, etc?

See my edited version above.

Skolkovo “may be a means for the Russian government to access our nation’s sensitive or classified research development facilities and dual-use technologies with military and commercial application,” Assistant Special Agent in Charge Lucia Ziobro wrote in the Boston Business Journal.

The FBI had equal concern about Rosatom’s acquisition of Uranium One. An informer named William Douglas Campbell had gotten inside the Russian nuclear giant in 2009 and gathered evidence that Rosatom’s agents in the United States were engaged in a racketeering scheme involving kickbacks, extortion and bribery.

Campbell also obtained written evidence that Putin wanted to buy Uranium One as part of a strategy to obtain monopolistic domination of the global uranium markets, including leverage over the U.S.

Campbell also warned that a major in-kind donor to the Clinton Global Initiative was simultaneously working for Rosatom while the decision for U.S. approval was pending before Hillary Clinton’s department. Ultimately, her department and the Obama administration approved the transaction.

The evidence shows the Clintons financially benefited from Russia — personally and inside their charity — at the same time they were involved in U.S. government actions that rewarded Moscow and increased U.S. security risks.

Does that strike you as probably true, possibly true, whatever? Would you be concerned about that? Is it worth an investigation? A special prosecutor?

[Forty Two]

The intersections between the Clintons, the Democrats and Russia carried into 2016, when a major political opposition research project designed to portray GOP rival Donald Trump as compromised by Moscow was launched by Clinton’s presidential campaign and brought to the FBI.

Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS research firm was secretly hired by the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party through their law firm, Perkins Coie.

Simpson then hired retired British intelligence operative Christopher Steele — whom the FBI learned was “desperate” to defeat Trump — to write an unverified dossier suggesting that Trump’s campaign was colluding with Russia to hijack the election.

Simpson, Steele and Perkins Coie all walked Trump-Russia related allegations into the FBI the summer before the election, prompting agents who openly disliked Trump to launch a counterintelligence probe of the GOP nominee shortly before Election Day.

Simpson and Steele also went to the news media to air the allegations in what senior Justice Department official Bruce Ohr would later write was a “Hail Mary” effort to influence the election.

And what about this, Brian Peacock? Do you think that's made up? Fabricated?

[Brian Peacock]

So you're withholding judgement at this time - you have no opinion on the matter?

[Forty Two]

Ohr’s notes show that Steele’s main source of uncorroborated allegations against Trump came from an ex-Russian intelligence officer. “Much of the collection about the Trump campaign ties to Russia comes from a former Russian intelligence officer (? not entirely clear) who lives in the U.S.,” Ohr scribbled.

Steele’s dossier also relied on information from a Belarus-born Russian businessman, according to numerous reports and a book on the Russia scandal.

Steele and Simpson had Russian-tied business connections, too, while they formulated the dossier.

Steele worked for the lawyers for Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and tried to leverage those connections to help the FBI get evidence from the Russian aluminum magnate against Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

The effort resulted in FBI agents visiting Deripaska in fall 2016. Deripaska told the agents that no collusion existed.

Likewise, Simpson worked in 2016 for the Russian company Prevezon — which was trying to escape U.S. government penalties — and one of its Russian lawyers, Natalia Veselnitskaya. In sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Simpson admitted he dined with Veselnitskaya both the night before and the night after her infamous meeting with Donald Trump Jr. at Trump Tower in June 2016.

What do you think about Simpson dining with The "Russian lawyer connected to the Russian government" who went to see Trump, Jr. on the premise of offering "dirt" on Hillary Clinton, both the night before and the night after the treasonous meeting?

Does that strike you as interesting?