Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

[Hermit]

They are there to make converts, but for what daddy org?

I mean we all known that scientology sponsored anti drug and anti alcohol systems to make recruits... but I just wonder who AA is rolling for, the born again movement at large?

AA sprang from The Oxford Group, a non-denominational movement modeled after first-century Christianity. Some members founded the Group to help in maintaining sobriety. "Grouper" Ebby Thacher was Wilson's former drinking buddy who approached Wilson saying that he had "got religion", was sober, and that Wilson could do the same if he set aside objections to religion and instead formed a personal idea of God, "another power" or "higher power".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic ... up_origins

[Rum]

They are there to make converts, but for what daddy org?

I mean we all known that scientology sponsored anti drug and anti alcohol systems to make recruits... but I just wonder who AA is rolling for, the born again movement at large?

If you read their literature, which I did when I was struggling with booze 25 years ago or more, AA has a 'suggested' programme which essentially is about asking god to keep you sober and letting go of the responsibility and the will power element.

I actually attended a few meetings (I stopped going because I realised I was at the very low end of the spectrum and got a handle on it myself in the end). The meetings, here in the UK anyway were very secular. Occasionally the 'higher power' thing would crop up, but surprisingly rarely. Occasionally someone would say words to the effect that the only way for 'real' alcoholics to stay sober was with the help of god. Other people would dismiss this. I was told however that in America and some other countries the god element is far larger. The 'movement' is not centralised in any real way except for the literature, so I guess it takes on a local flavour.

I was struck by the sense of mutual support amongst the well-established members. There seemed to be a rapid turnover of newcomers who came and went though. I only attended five or six meetings myself. I actually quite enjoyed them.

[Svartalf]

Well, I'm no longer drinking at the stage I'd feel like attending AA... and never attended a meeting, the one time I tried, they had mispublished their hours, so I arrived as the people were coming out.

[Alan B]

The communism of Lenin, I would suggest not. But the corruption by Stalin & Co., definitely! Add to that lot would be the Conservatives that support Capitalist greed and corruption at the expense of the rest of humanity and the planet.

[Svartalf]

Stalin built on the base Lenin laid... the GPU was Lenin's creation, until Stalin integrated it into the NKVD.

[laklak]

I also think conservatism should be declared a mental illness and a criminal ideology.

Now we're talking. It's gonna be a target rich environment. I need more ammo.

[DRSB]

Well, I'm no longer drinking at the stage I'd feel like attending AA... and never attended a meeting, the one time I tried, they had mispublished their hours, so I arrived as the people were coming out.

AA is one of those community where they hold hands and sing Kumbalaya. Not good, one addiction replaces another.

[Svartalf]

well, a social addiction is generally better than a liver destroying one... of course, it can make you clannish.

[DRSB]

well, a social addiction is generally better than a liver destroying one... of course, it can make you clannish.

Try self-hypnosis, plenty on youtube, just search hypnosis+addiction!

[Svartalf]

Problem is I don't trust hypnosis, my one experiment with it was weird, not bad, but very weird... so now I tend to raise up the barriers when it comes into play.

[Forty Two]

True hegemony has arrived when even the discussion of alternative ways of organing things becomes taboo.

Most of that comes from the progressive left these days - the shutting down of different ideas. Nobody except perhaps the extreme right wing would suggest making any ideology illegal.

I agree with NB. Capitalism is currently in the process of making the planet unfit for its inhabitants. It may be too late to do much about it, but banning an alternative ideology isn't one of them.

Capitalism has done more good for more people over the past 200 or so years, and especially worldwide over the last 30 years, than any other economic system. Capitalism has done more to eliminate poverty than communism or socialism ever could, or ever offered to do.

[Sean Hayden]

Socialism could do better. Imagine if profit weren't the only motivation. Would that be better or worse for people?

[Cunt]

Are there any real communists left?

None in this forum since redunderthebed joined AA, where he found God.

Now I understand better why I can't get off the bottle, AA's imaginary friend requirements are just too off putting to me.

Stanton Peele has some options which recognize the stupidity of AA, and it's methods, roots and execution.

They are there to make converts, but for what daddy org?

I mean we all known that scientology sponsored anti drug and anti alcohol systems to make recruits... but I just wonder who AA is rolling for, the born again movement at large?

AA is a large movement, with tentacles into every recovery method I've seen on the ground (Stanton Peele and a few others, I have only seen online)

Even government positions in 'recovery' will have code-words and methods of stacking the applicants with AA adherents. Every see 'must be 2 years clean and sober' in a job posting? The only way to be sure of that would be to know you have been in your AA meetings.

It's inisidious, and while AA doesn't treat itself as professional treatment, many judges, employers and health care 'professionals' do treat it that way.

socialism

Where has it been showing success? I know that Canada is kind of socialist, but I mean where has a country been full-on socialist, and successful?

[Sean Hayden]

I don't care. I only care whether or not it could do better. Would it better or worse for people if profit weren't the only motivation?

[Cunt]

I can't imagine what else could motivate everyone.

Corporations are what they are because the ONLY thing everyone (investors) can agree on is that they want more money.