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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:56 pm

JimC wrote:Yes, definitely an idiot, but from the academic fringes that will never have any real effect and should simply be ignored...
As with the 1,000 other academic fringes that will never have any real effect and should simply be ignored....like the ones a while back who said there's no such thing as biological sex and it's all a social construct...oh, wait...not fringe anymore.... and the ones who bleat about microaggressions and cultural appropriation...oh, wait, yeah, not fringe anymore either....
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:13 pm

No, they are still fringes, puffed up with their own importance but not having any real effect on the world other than getting certain conservatives all riled up...
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:27 pm

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JimC wrote:Yes, definitely an idiot, but from the academic fringes that will never have any real effect and should simply be ignored...
As with the 1,000 other academic fringes that will never have any real effect and should simply be ignored....like the ones a while back who said there's no such thing as biological sex and it's all a social construct...oh, wait...not fringe anymore.... and the ones who bleat about microaggressions and cultural appropriation...oh, wait, yeah, not fringe anymore either....
People used to have the same attitude to the idea that black people were just as bright as white people... yeah, just a fringe idea.

Things change. Get with it granddad. :tea:
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by JimC » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:38 pm

Actually, my implication was quite different, Brian. The oddball stuff that gets 42 riled up is not only fringe stuff now, but, IMO, it always will be, unlike the change in thinking about racial stereotypes.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:42 pm

I agree Jim. I was just poking 42 for desperately dragging the fringes into the middle of the ring, better to give them a damn good shoeing.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:04 am

JimC wrote:Yes, definitely an idiot, but from the academic fringes that will never have any real effect and should simply be ignored...
No no, Jim, a significant part of the left believe that maths is racist. Apparently.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Svartalf » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:46 am

the left is little smarter than the right.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:26 am

Perhaps that's why the right appear to have such an antsy chip on their shoulder.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:42 am

Moderate mathematicians don't count.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Tero » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:28 am

They must install more triangles in the ghetto, so the nonwhites can grow up with geometry in their natural habitat.Put Sesame St to work. Have the kids calculate bullet trajectories as well.

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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by mistermack » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:42 am

Didn't Jesus say on the mount, "how blessed are the whites, for they shall be better at maths" ?
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:52 pm

JimC wrote:No, they are still fringes, puffed up with their own importance but not having any real effect on the world other than getting certain conservatives all riled up...
This is not accurate, since some of it is having legislative impact, like with respect the laws mandating the use of various made-up pronouns to refer to people, or potentially raising denial of the trans-gender-spectrum ideology to be tantamount to hate speech. And, the effect that it's had on college campuses is huge, with the denials of due process, the microaggression theory, and the whole boatload of cultural appropriation nonsense. These are getting people fined, jailed, expelled and fired in various parts of the western world. Germany is arresting and jailing people for allegedly anti-migrant tweets -- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/worl ... media.html

We have a younger generation that is in large part opposed to freedom of speech, having been convinced that it is basically the same as racism, sexism, misogyny, and the rest of the laundry list. That will have a significant impact in the coming years regarding the law of speech and freedom of thought.

These ideas are taken seriously in the halls of academia, at the United Nations (much of which looks for any excuse to limit freedom of speech and freedom of thought), in legislatures, and in courtrooms.

It's not the end of the world, but is also not irrelevant and meaningless.
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Re: Prof: Algebra, geometry perpetuate white privilege

Post by Forty Two » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:52 pm

JimC wrote:No, they are still fringes, puffed up with their own importance but not having any real effect on the world other than getting certain conservatives all riled up...
This is not accurate, since some of it is having legislative impact, like with respect the laws mandating the use of various made-up pronouns to refer to people, or potentially raising denial of the trans-gender-spectrum ideology to be tantamount to hate speech. And, the effect that it's had on college campuses is huge, with the denials of due process, the microaggression theory, and the whole boatload of cultural appropriation nonsense. These are getting people fined, jailed, expelled and fired in various parts of the western world. Germany is arresting and jailing people for allegedly anti-migrant tweets -- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/worl ... media.html

We have a younger generation that is in large part opposed to freedom of speech, having been convinced that it is basically the same as racism, sexism, misogyny, and the rest of the laundry list. That will have a significant impact in the coming years regarding the law of speech and freedom of thought.

These ideas are taken seriously in the halls of academia, at the United Nations (much of which looks for any excuse to limit freedom of speech and freedom of thought), in legislatures, and in courtrooms.

It's not the end of the world, but is also not irrelevant and meaningless.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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