The gay men turning to the far right in Germany

[pErvinalia]

Probably doesn't help that the left prefers to focus its attacks on the only nation in the Middle East that respects gay rights. Certainly does not inspire any confidence that gay rights are near the top of the left's agenda anyway.

Yeah, because state terrorism and gay rights are the same thing.

[pErvinalia]

I'm going to try to deconstruct the above:

Millions of Muslims freed from German oppression in 1945 (they were at risk of being crushed and used as road making material).
Gay Nazis still feel bad as liberal values spread in the Muslim world.
Gay scene in Middle East devel..

...nope sorry - I give up.

[Strontium Dog]

Probably doesn't help that the left prefers to focus its attacks on the only nation in the Middle East that respects gay rights. Certainly does not inspire any confidence that gay rights are near the top of the left's agenda anyway.

Yeah, because state terrorism and gay rights are the same thing.

Thanks for proving my point.

[pErvinalia]

Your point was that the left allegedly don't care about gay rights because they call out Israel's state terrorism. That's a fucking dumb point, as the two are unrelated.

[JimC]

Your point was that the left allegedly don't care about gay rights because they call out Israel's state terrorism. That's a fucking dumb point, as the two are unrelated.

Agreed, but at the same time, the left needs to make more noise about the generally appalling treatment of gays in most islamic majority countries...

[pErvinalia]

I hear plenty of criticism. Where some in the left get a bout of cognitive dissonance is regarding the treatment of women in most Islamic countries.

[Strontium Dog]

Your point was that the left allegedly don't care about gay rights because they call out Israel's state terrorism. That's a fucking dumb point, as the two are unrelated.

When the left attacks Israel, the only gay-friendly country in the Middle East, more often than it attacks Israel's even worse neighbours, then it very much is related. Gays are bound to think that the left cares more about protecting Islamic zealots than it does innocent homosexuals.

[Brian Peacock]

Gays are not bound to think anything in particular.

[pErvinalia]

Your point was that the left allegedly don't care about gay rights because they call out Israel's state terrorism. That's a fucking dumb point, as the two are unrelated.

When the left attacks Israel, the only gay-friendly country in the Middle East, more often than it attacks Israel's even worse neighbours, then it very much is related. Gays are bound to think that the left cares more about protecting Islamic zealots than it does innocent homosexuals.

What the fuck are you talking about?? State terrorism and treatment of gay people have nothing to do with each other. It's possible to care about both issues. Caring about one, doesn't negate the other.

[JimC]

Is gay marriage legal in Israel?

Certainly the Jewish fundamentalists are not gay-friendly...

[laklak]

Gays are not bound to think anything in particular.

Of course they are, they must love Judy Garland and The Divine Miss M.

Some also like Liza with a Z, but it's not required.

[JimC]

Gays are not bound to think anything in particular.

Of course they are, they must love Judy Garland and The Divine Miss M.

Some also like Liza with a Z, but it's not required.

In Oz, it's compulsory for gay men to love Kylie Minogue...

[laklak]

In Oz, it's compulsory for gay men to love Kylie Minogue...

I know me. I'd do her.

[Brian Peacock]

Get in line.

[Animavore]

Your point was that the left allegedly don't care about gay rights because they call out Israel's state terrorism. That's a fucking dumb point, as the two are unrelated.

When the left attacks Israel, the only gay-friendly country in the Middle East, more often than it attacks Israel's even worse neighbours, then it very much is related. Gays are bound to think that the left cares more about protecting Islamic zealots than it does innocent homosexuals.

Yes. Never mind they are executing young Palestinians for throwing stones, destroying their schools, flying low over Palestian areas and creating sonic booms which leave kids rattled and traumatised, stealing land, and a whole bunch of other UN and Amnesty recognised human rights abuses. Israel is just fabulous, dah-ling.

Only a person from a colonialist country which has a long history of making excuses and justifications for their own human rights abuses against "savages" could think that supporting a nation because they're more "civilised" is acceptable, and their vicious treatment of a less civilised nation is a means to an end.