Manchester: Suicide bomb

[Feck]

Alan you say "Now, it just so happens that these people and their intentions are known to the authorities." I'd love you explain this? It's much more likely this fuckers name probably only cropped up on a list of known social (media) acquaintances of people who were acquaintances of people who talked about Jihad . I might be wrong but he probably didn't sign up for an Isis newsletter order a Kilo of ammonium nitrate , a small bag of powdered aluminum and a half gallon of diesel on E-Bay

[Feck]

Guess what Alan , That last post contained bomb making ingredients It might well be flagged by GCHQ . I think you should be investigated as a member of this forum and your home searched since you are now "Known to authorities " .

[Forty Two]

So, May has ordered soldiers on the streets as a 'precaution'. What utter bollocks. They won't be able to do anything to prevent a determined suicide bomber.

Sometimes suicide bombers are rather bad at their job. It's possible someone might see something. Also, it's possible that the military presence will put some fear or reticence into a would-be terrorist. Plus, May has to do SOMETHING or she'll be accused by her political opponents of ignoring the matter.

All their presence will achieve is to give the general public a sense of false security which will have the effect of reducing vigilance. The French tried it and they still had terrorist attacks.

If they are there long-term, perhaps. In the near term, they freak everyone out and make them hyper-vigilant.

If these terrorists or those that are susceptible to extremist influences are 'known', as it was in this case, then they and their premises and associates should be searched and investigated on a regular basis and their movements tracked 24/7.

In most civilized countries, there must be probable cause for a warrant.

Oh, wait a minute - that will cost money... Can't have that now, can we.

Cops would have no problem searching people's houses. It's not the State that is resisting that notion.

[JimC]

I have a suggestion. Every time a particular individual is found to have committed (or simply be planning) a terrorist attack, the particular mosque he worshipped at gets closed down.

Permanently.

[NineBerry]

There's no logic behind that. Mosques can't control who prays there.

[JimC]

There's no logic behind that. Mosques can't control who prays there.

The logic is as follows:

1. Mosques with a tendency to fundamentalist versions of Islam will both attract would-be terrorists, and by their rhetoric, encourage others down that path.

2. If this potential action were to be widely known, it provides an incentive for mosque leaders to warn the authorities about potential problem individuals - if they had done so, even if the terrorists were convicted, the mosque gets a reprieve...

Perhaps the response could be nuanced - if it were clear that in all other respects the mosque promoted a moderate form of islam, and it was just random chance that a terrorist worshipped there occasionally, then fine. But the combination of a mosque known for jihadist preachers, and a terrorist sourced from there should mean that mosque gets the chop...

[NineBerry]

Manchester attacker prayed at a mosque that opposes radicalism.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ana-grande

[JimC]

Manchester attacker prayed at a mosque that opposes radicalism.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ana-grande

Did they make an effort to check their worshippers, did they warn authorities of any suspicions?

I would not be too concerned if we ended up with a situation where mosque leaders simply have to be constantly paranoid about their worshippers, knowing what the possible consequences could be...

[NineBerry]

You should just close restaurants and supermarkets where terrorists eat\shop. More effective. Starve the terrorists to death.

And restaurants\shop owners will have motivation to check their guests not to be terrorists.

[JimC]

What I want is for the co-religionists of these terrorist scum to take a fuck-load more responsibility for the actions of their fellow muslims. In the end, the more they do that (and are seen to be doing it), the less they will have to fear in terms of a back-lash...

[NineBerry]

What's worse? Just offering a terrorist a spot to sit down for a few minutes or actually feeding him!?!

[NineBerry]

We could also start punishing the terrorists' former math teachers. Without math, they wouldn't be able to build bombs.

[JimC]

Your response seem to me to be rather supine - muslim terrorists can bomb the shit out of us, but we mustn't respond...

[NineBerry]

If it is the response the terrorist aims at: not a good idea.

[JimC]

So, they've effectively paralysed the west, then...