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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by Collector1337 » Wed May 17, 2017 7:39 am

Animavore wrote:More like thank the anti-vax movement which stemmed in Britain and has been expanded by Americans. This is what happens when dangerous, Western anti-sciene infests the third world.
Have any evidence of this related to what I posted?

The article you posted only seems to confirm that 3rd worlders are responsible for bringing measles to Minnesota.
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by pErvinalia » Wed May 17, 2017 12:02 pm

Do you not understand how vaccination works?
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed May 17, 2017 5:26 pm

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Animavore wrote:More like thank the anti-vax movement which stemmed in Britain and has been expanded by Americans. This is what happens when dangerous, Western anti-sciene infests the third world.
Have any evidence of this related to what I posted?

The article you posted only seems to confirm that 3rd worlders are responsible for bringing measles to Minnesota.
Infectious diseases are indiscriminate. Mass vaccination of the population is the only possible defence, unless you think immunity is a function of geography, political persuasion, or hair colour of course. Measles is a problem for the unvaccinated citizens of Minnesota only. Yet when failures in vaccination uptake result in depressed levels of herd immunity infectious agents gain a foothold to evolve resistance. Then everybody suffers. The problem therefore is one concerning the level of immunity in the general population, which is a public health/policy matter, and not the ethnic origins of infected individuals.

You know all this, but you keep trying anyway.
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by laklak » Wed May 17, 2017 6:09 pm

Looks like someone fell down on the job. Having dealt with USCIS over the period of about6 years, I can attest that they take the legal requirements for immigration very seriously. At least for white chicks from Africa, anyway.
Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases:
Mumps
Measles
Rubella
Polio
Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids
Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B
Hepatitis B
Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by Collector1337 » Wed May 17, 2017 11:12 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote:More like thank the anti-vax movement which stemmed in Britain and has been expanded by Americans. This is what happens when dangerous, Western anti-sciene infests the third world.
Have any evidence of this related to what I posted?

The article you posted only seems to confirm that 3rd worlders are responsible for bringing measles to Minnesota.
Infectious diseases are indiscriminate. Mass vaccination of the population is the only possible defence, unless you think immunity is a function of geography, political persuasion, or hair colour of course. Measles is a problem for the unvaccinated citizens of Minnesota only. Yet when failures in vaccination uptake result in depressed levels of herd immunity infectious agents gain a foothold to evolve resistance. Then everybody suffers. The problem therefore is one concerning the level of immunity in the general population, which is a public health/policy matter, and not the ethnic origins of infected individuals.

You know all this, but you keep trying anyway.
So, can you show me any unvaccinated Minnesotans going to Africa and bringing measles back with them, or just Somalis?
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by Woodbutcher » Wed May 17, 2017 11:21 pm

Collector1337 wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote:More like thank the anti-vax movement which stemmed in Britain and has been expanded by Americans. This is what happens when dangerous, Western anti-sciene infests the third world.
Have any evidence of this related to what I posted?

The article you posted only seems to confirm that 3rd worlders are responsible for bringing measles to Minnesota.
Infectious diseases are indiscriminate. Mass vaccination of the population is the only possible defence, unless you think immunity is a function of geography, political persuasion, or hair colour of course. Measles is a problem for the unvaccinated citizens of Minnesota only. Yet when failures in vaccination uptake result in depressed levels of herd immunity infectious agents gain a foothold to evolve resistance. Then everybody suffers. The problem therefore is one concerning the level of immunity in the general population, which is a public health/policy matter, and not the ethnic origins of infected individuals.

You know all this, but you keep trying anyway.
So, can you show me any unvaccinated Minnesotans going to Africa and bringing measles back with them, or just Somalis?
Unvaccinated Somalis caught measles in United Fucking States of America from somebody in motherfucking Minnesota. The asshole who started the epidemic was unvaccinated and brought it in from who fucking knows where, likely from The Rebel Confederate States.
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by JimC » Wed May 17, 2017 11:23 pm

Collector1337 wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote:More like thank the anti-vax movement which stemmed in Britain and has been expanded by Americans. This is what happens when dangerous, Western anti-sciene infests the third world.
Have any evidence of this related to what I posted?

The article you posted only seems to confirm that 3rd worlders are responsible for bringing measles to Minnesota.
Infectious diseases are indiscriminate. Mass vaccination of the population is the only possible defence, unless you think immunity is a function of geography, political persuasion, or hair colour of course. Measles is a problem for the unvaccinated citizens of Minnesota only. Yet when failures in vaccination uptake result in depressed levels of herd immunity infectious agents gain a foothold to evolve resistance. Then everybody suffers. The problem therefore is one concerning the level of immunity in the general population, which is a public health/policy matter, and not the ethnic origins of infected individuals.

You know all this, but you keep trying anyway.
So, can you show me any unvaccinated Minnesotans going to Africa and bringing measles back with them, or just Somalis?
Clearly, you didn't read the article quoted towards the end of page 1 of this thread. Here is the important excerpt:
Between 2004 and 2008, Somali parents living in Hennepin County, Minnesota, became concerned that some of their children were being diagnosed with autism and placed in special classes. What they didn’t know was why.

The first to provide answers was a well-organized group of anti-vaccine activists who showed up at community health meetings, convincing Somali parents that their children had been harmed by the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine. Immunization rates started to decline. By 2008, only 70 percent of the Somali population had received MMR, well below the 95 percent threshold required to provide herd immunity.

“The internet and everyone in the community told me MMR causes autism,” said one parent. “Everybody is afraid.”

Then a well-known anti-vaccine activist wrote a letter. In 2008, under the title “An Open Letter to the Somali Parents of Minnesota,” J. B. Handley, the founder of the anti-vaccine group Generation Rescue, urged Somali parents to declare “a state of emergency within your community and create a new vaccine schedule for your kids.” He told Somalis not to trust the Minnesota Department of Health: “a puppet of the CDC.”

Handley explained that Somali children were “simply pawns in this unfortunate corrupt game.” He warned parents that the Minnesota Department of Health was acting out of “denial, corruption, and self-protection,” and explained how parents could legally opt out of vaccinating their children.

In 2011, the inevitable happened. A 30-month-old U.S.-born child of Somali descent visited Kenya and contracted measles. When the child returned to Minnesota, the virus spread through the community, sickening 26 people. In the midst of this outbreak, Andrew Wakefield, the British researcher who had published a paper claiming that MMR caused autism, visited Hennepin County.
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu May 18, 2017 12:58 am

Collector1337 wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote:More like thank the anti-vax movement which stemmed in Britain and has been expanded by Americans. This is what happens when dangerous, Western anti-sciene infests the third world.
Have any evidence of this related to what I posted?

The article you posted only seems to confirm that 3rd worlders are responsible for bringing measles to Minnesota.
Infectious diseases are indiscriminate. Mass vaccination of the population is the only possible defence, unless you think immunity is a function of geography, political persuasion, or hair colour of course. Measles is a problem for the unvaccinated citizens of Minnesota only. Yet when failures in vaccination uptake result in depressed levels of herd immunity infectious agents gain a foothold to evolve resistance. Then everybody suffers. The problem therefore is one concerning the level of immunity in the general population, which is a public health/policy matter, and not the ethnic origins of infected individuals.

You know all this, but you keep trying anyway.
So, can you show me any unvaccinated Minnesotans going to Africa and bringing measles back with them, or just Somalis?
I think the point you're trying to make is that US children born of Somali stock are not real Minnesota Americans. Why don't you just spit it out like a man? An unvaccinated American child visited a high risk area and caught the disease, spreading it among the unvaccintated members of the community upon their return. You know exactly why the people you're vilifying didn't uptake the vaccinations offered to their children, but you ignore the plain facts in favour of pinning the progression of an infectious outbreak on a particular ethnicity -- "Those dirty infected Somalis poisoning our nation," or whatever. What this outbreak actually points to is the failure of the Minnesota public health system to protect the entire community against a preventable infectious agent. Your current President is encouraging exactly the same false idea that led to the outbreak in the first place, so if you want to blame someone blame the science-denying anti-vaccination campaigners he endorses.

Now, I wonder what you're next, point-avoiding faux query will be... :tea:
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by pErvinalia » Thu May 18, 2017 1:50 am

Collector1337 wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote:More like thank the anti-vax movement which stemmed in Britain and has been expanded by Americans. This is what happens when dangerous, Western anti-sciene infests the third world.
Have any evidence of this related to what I posted?

The article you posted only seems to confirm that 3rd worlders are responsible for bringing measles to Minnesota.
Infectious diseases are indiscriminate. Mass vaccination of the population is the only possible defence, unless you think immunity is a function of geography, political persuasion, or hair colour of course. Measles is a problem for the unvaccinated citizens of Minnesota only. Yet when failures in vaccination uptake result in depressed levels of herd immunity infectious agents gain a foothold to evolve resistance. Then everybody suffers. The problem therefore is one concerning the level of immunity in the general population, which is a public health/policy matter, and not the ethnic origins of infected individuals.

You know all this, but you keep trying anyway.
So, can you show me any unvaccinated Minnesotans going to Africa and bringing measles back with them, or just Somalis?
It was as i suspected. You don't understand how vaccination works. I bet you even think they give you Autism..
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by JimC » Thu May 18, 2017 2:35 am

Collector thinks that vaccination is an insidious program designed to take his guns away...
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu May 18, 2017 2:36 am

It isn't? :think:
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by rainbow » Thu May 18, 2017 6:48 am

Collector1337 wrote: So, can you show me any unvaccinated Minnesotans going to Africa and bringing measles back with them, or just Somalis?
Of course not.

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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by Collector1337 » Mon May 29, 2017 5:39 pm

Brian Peacock wrote: I think the point you're trying to make is that US children born of Somali stock are not real Minnesota Americans.
Well, they aren't.
Brian Peacock wrote:What this outbreak actually points to is the failure of the Minnesota public health system to protect the entire community against a preventable infectious agent.
Not the government's job.

What should the government be doing? Forcibly rounding people up and making them do things?
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon May 29, 2017 5:49 pm

Your making a poor show of only pretending not to get this Mr C. The primary obligation of government is to protect the citizenry and to defend them against whatever might threaten their well being or life. Your UN-vaccinated neighbours are a threat to your well being and life, and to the community as a whole.
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Re: Thanks for the Measles Somalis!

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon May 29, 2017 5:51 pm

In America? You are joking. Every man for himself.
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