Tony Blair coming back?

[Feck]

He had a country in profit he had a huge majority and He did NOTHING the Labour party stands for .

[Strontium Dog]

Blair is the only Labour leader in four decades to actually win an election, whereas the current mob seem to value studenty identity politics and virtue signalling over success. If Blair does make any kind of return to British politics, it won't be with Labour.

[jaydot]

that treacherous little shit won't fucking quit, will he? the usa may have voted in favour of war with iraq; blair decided all by himself (with a little tiny weeny input from his imaginary friend) and the hell with the people who came out in force against. we all know his only interest is in himself. fuck him.

[Scot Dutchy]

I admit it is worrying. He could wreck the centre right which for Labour would be a blessing as nobody in that party has a clue what to do.

[Seth]

that treacherous little shit won't fucking quit, will he? the usa may have voted in favour of war with iraq; blair decided all by himself (with a little tiny weeny input from his imaginary friend) and the hell with the people who came out in force against. we all know his only interest is in himself. fuck him.

That's what he was elected (by a majority) to do, so piss on those who objected, who got democracy good and hard.

[Brian Peacock]

Blair is the only Labour leader in four decades to actually win an election, whereas the current mob seem to value studenty identity politics and virtue signalling over success. If Blair does make any kind of return to British politics, it won't be with Labour.

Indeed. And although his government made a great show of sticking to Tory spending plans while controlling the news agenda in the end we just couldn't trust him. Sure, he spoke well, but he would literally say and do anything to get his way--including shitting on his closest friends or threatening civil servants. If the serpent in the Garden of Eden had a voice it would sound just like Blair. In many ways he's the UKs version of Hillary - an avatar, no depths, all shallows.

[Seth]

Blair is the only Labour leader in four decades to actually win an election, whereas the current mob seem to value studenty identity politics and virtue signalling over success. If Blair does make any kind of return to British politics, it won't be with Labour.

Indeed. And although his government made a great show of sticking to Tory spending plans while controlling the news agenda in the end we just couldn't trust him. Sure, he spoke well, but he would literally say and do anything to get his way--including shitting on his closest friends or threatening civil servants. If the serpent in the Garden of Eden had a voice it would sound just like Blair. In many ways he's the UKs version of Hillary - an avatar, no depths, all shallows.

And yet he won election, which means that at least half of the UK thinks you're just a sore loser. Wassamatta, don't you like democracy?

I find it highly amusing and outrageously hypocritical how strident leftists are when they lose a "democratic" election after droning on and on with hyperbolic, hyperventilating dudgeon about how important "democracy" is.

Seems like they only like democracy when it's liberal democracy and fuck everybody else.

[Brian Peacock]

I speak to the nature of the man, as I see it. He was a con artists who came to believe his own lies about himself.

[Seth]

I speak to the nature of the man, as I see it. He was a con artists who came to believe his own lies about himself.

And yet he won election...and you didn't. Thus, the objective evidence shows that at least half the population of the UK disagrees with you, which renders your opinion somewhat suspect as to motive.

True believers in Democracy accept the will of the people and submit to their judgment. Liberals who object to Blair's election, or Trump's, are therefore not true believers in Democracy, they are simply manifesting political intolerance for any opinion other than their own.

Of course this is not news to anyone...

[Brian Peacock]

Your goading is far too obvious and missing the mark I'm afraid. Who said I didn't accept his parties election victory or his position as Brirish PM? One doesn't have to idolise or even like one's leaders, and one certainly isn't obliged to respect them just because they win an election. Blair was all about the presentation, he was pathologically self-regarding and overly-concerned about what politicians like to call their 'legacy', and in the end he pissed on the regular folks who voted for him along with the regular folks who didn't. Give it four years and you'll know exactly what I'm on about.

[Seth]

Your goading is far too obvious and missing the mark I'm afraid.

If you don't want to be goaded, don't be a goad.

Who said I didn't accept his parties election victory or his position as Brirish PM?

You did.

One doesn't have to idolise or even like one's leaders, and one certainly isn't obliged to respect them just because they win an election.

If you truly believe in Democracy you most certainly do. Democracy is founded on the principle that the majority is always right and the minority is always wrong and therefore the losers have a duty to shut up and soldier once the majority has spoken. Stalin thought so and enforced this function of Democracy rather harshly. Dissent was "counterrevolutionary" and got you sent to a gulag and then a shallow grave.

Blair was all about the presentation,

What politician isn't?

he was pathologically self-regarding and overly-concerned about what politicians like to call their 'legacy',

You mean like Stalin and Hillary?

and in the end he pissed on the regular folks who voted for him along with the regular folks who didn't.

But they agreed to take a Golden Shower when they elected him Democratically. That's the point.

Give it four years and you'll know exactly what I'm on about.

Not really, because America isn't a Democracy. Never has been, never will be.

[pErvinalia]

Yes it is.

[Seth]

Yes it is.

No, it's not. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses certain limited democratic processes. It's not a democracy. Our Founding Fathers made absolutely certain of that because they well understood the perils of Democracy and worked very, very hard to put obstacles in the path of democratic tyranny.

And thus the Electoral College, one of many checks and balances against Democracy.

[pErvinalia]

Yes it is.

No, it's not. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses certain limited democratic processes. It's not a democracy.

Yes it is. You just refuse to accept that democracy is a broad system of varying processes. It's not literally direct-democracy only.

[Seth]

Yes it is.

No, it's not. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses certain limited democratic processes. It's not a democracy.

Yes it is. You just refuse to accept that democracy is a broad system of varying processes. It's not literally direct-democracy only.

Pettifogging propaganda. You just want me to say America is a democracy so you can then launch into a diatribe about how democracy in America has been perverted by the Electoral College. I'm well aware of your tricks and I'm not playing.

The United States of America is NOT a democracy. Never has been, never will be. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses certain carefully limited democratic processes in it's elections.