Black boxes. Another failure.

[cronus]

If he was a Muslim then his Nihilism was compounded by fuck-wit religion.

[pErvinalia]

Bloody German. The only surprise is that he didn't eat the passengers first.

[cronus]

Bloody German. The only surprise is that he didn't eat the passengers first.

If it'd been a bus he'd have connected the exhaust to the passenger area and waited. Can't do that with a plane. 700mph into a mountain on the other hand...same old Germans.

[mistermack]

Perhaps he was a nihilist like Scumple. Nothing really matters in the end. Not even other lives.

Apparently.

He's right. Nothing does matter.
Unless you're human.

[cronus]

Perhaps he was a nihilist like Scumple. Nothing really matters in the end. Not even other lives.

Apparently.

He's right. Nothing does matter.
Unless you're human.

Temporary condition. Will pass....

[Seth]

A muslim man asked for a knife to cut his apple on my flight, and the hostess didn't outright deny him. She was talking to me at the time, so I hope after that she realised you can't give a passenger a knife on an airline.

Sure you can. You just have to remember that if he tries to use it to harm someone it's YOUR duty (and the duty of ever other passenger and crew member) to take him out.

[Seth]

The pilot went for a jimmy riddle. The cockpit locked from the inside the co-pilot was Italian and the Pilot German. Their English was less than adequate and in German only the pilot who'd locked himself out had the keypad numbers to unlock the door. Pilot beat the door being unable to explain the numbers o the panic stricken co-pilot who was a decky learner(630 hrs) who shouldn't have been in the chair - it was budget airline. The disaster documentary on The Discovery channel will explain it all in better detail. Somewhere there is a script in development already....one death is a tragedy, and a airliner crash is a goldmine for the media.

English is the universal language of commercial aviation and all certified pilots worldwide are required to speak it, so I call bullshit.

[Seth]

The pilot went for a jimmy riddle. The cockpit locked from the inside the co-pilot was Italian and the Pilot German. Their English was less than adequate and in German only the pilot who'd locked himself out had the keypad numbers to unlock the door. Pilot beat the door being unable to explain the numbers o the panic stricken co-pilot who was a decky learner(630 hrs) who shouldn't have been in the chair - it was budget airline.

Where did you get this information from? I've heard that the crash was intentional.

And 630 hours is not a "learner" nor would a 600 hour pilot be "panicked." Scrumple, you have zero understanding of the aviation certification and training requirements or procedures. That pilot was fully qualified to take off, operate and land the plane all by himself before he ever set foot in the cockpit of a passenger-carrying aircraft. Moreover, you do not need a code to open the cockpit door from inside the cockpit, only from outside.

Either the co-pilot was rendered suddenly incapacitated by something like a stroke or a heart attack or it was an intentional act. According to an expert on the plane I heard on the radio yesterday, it appears that the autopilot mode had to have been deliberately set for a straight-line descent with no "bottom" altitude in order for this to happen. What this means is that the co-pilot had to enter the descent parameters (rate of descent) and then activate the mode WITHOUT entering a lower limit altitude. This had to have been a voluntary act because an autopilot descent with no lower altitude cannot be initiated except by a voluntary act of a pilot.

It is remotely possible that the co-pilot suffered some sudden medical issue, tried to initiate a descent to a lower altitude but was not able to set the lower limit. But this would require that he initiated the op mode and then deliberately bypassed the altitude limit entry and confirmed the op mode before he was incapacitated. But if he was becoming incapacitated and was desperately trying to do something, it's extremely unlikely that he would initiate a descent, given the fact that it's now shown that there was NOT a sudden cabin decompression that incapacitated everyone.

This has every appearance of being a deliberate act. If I had to guess, the co-pilot may well have had a suicide pill with which he killed himself after setting the aircraft to crash, just to ensure he couldn't chicken out.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

This has every appearance of being a deliberate act. If I had to guess, the co-pilot may well have had a suicide pill with which he killed himself after setting the aircraft to crash, just to ensure he couldn't chicken out.

According to the news, you can hear the co-pilot breathing regularly all the way up until impact on the flight voice recorder - so I think we can rule that theory out.

[Seth]

This has every appearance of being a deliberate act. If I had to guess, the co-pilot may well have had a suicide pill with which he killed himself after setting the aircraft to crash, just to ensure he couldn't chicken out.

According to the news, you can hear the co-pilot breathing regularly all the way up until impact on the flight voice recorder - so I think we can rule that theory out.

Didn't know that. So now it's murder/suicide or terrorism, or both.

This means that no pilot or co-pilot is going to be left alone in the cockpit, ever, which is a good thing.

[JimC]

The pilot went for a jimmy riddle. The cockpit locked from the inside the co-pilot was Italian and the Pilot German. Their English was less than adequate and in German only the pilot who'd locked himself out had the keypad numbers to unlock the door. Pilot beat the door being unable to explain the numbers o the panic stricken co-pilot who was a decky learner(630 hrs) who shouldn't have been in the chair - it was budget airline.

Where did you get this information from? I've heard that the crash was intentional.

And 630 hours is not a "learner" nor would a 600 hour pilot be "panicked." Scrumple, you have zero understanding of the aviation certification and training requirements or procedures. That pilot was fully qualified to take off, operate and land the plane all by himself before he ever set foot in the cockpit of a passenger-carrying aircraft. Moreover, you do not need a code to open the cockpit door from inside the cockpit, only from outside.

Either the co-pilot was rendered suddenly incapacitated by something like a stroke or a heart attack or it was an intentional act. According to an expert on the plane I heard on the radio yesterday, it appears that the autopilot mode had to have been deliberately set for a straight-line descent with no "bottom" altitude in order for this to happen. What this means is that the co-pilot had to enter the descent parameters (rate of descent) and then activate the mode WITHOUT entering a lower limit altitude. This had to have been a voluntary act because an autopilot descent with no lower altitude cannot be initiated except by a voluntary act of a pilot.

It is remotely possible that the co-pilot suffered some sudden medical issue, tried to initiate a descent to a lower altitude but was not able to set the lower limit. But this would require that he initiated the op mode and then deliberately bypassed the altitude limit entry and confirmed the op mode before he was incapacitated. But if he was becoming incapacitated and was desperately trying to do something, it's extremely unlikely that he would initiate a descent, given the fact that it's now shown that there was NOT a sudden cabin decompression that incapacitated everyone.

This has every appearance of being a deliberate act. If I had to guess, the co-pilot may well have had a suicide pill with which he killed himself after setting the aircraft to crash, just to ensure he couldn't chicken out.

Neither you or jamest realise that scumple is simply taking the piss in his eccentric fashion...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

This has every appearance of being a deliberate act. If I had to guess, the co-pilot may well have had a suicide pill with which he killed himself after setting the aircraft to crash, just to ensure he couldn't chicken out.

According to the news, you can hear the co-pilot breathing regularly all the way up until impact on the flight voice recorder - so I think we can rule that theory out.

Didn't know that. So now it's murder/suicide or terrorism, or both.

This means that no pilot or co-pilot is going to be left alone in the cockpit, ever, which is a good thing.

It is standard policy on all American carriers and on many others, worldwide. Sadly for those passengers, not on Lufthansa or their subsidiaries.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

If only one of those passengers had a concealed carry howitzer - they could have shot out the flightdeck door...

[Seth]

If only one of those passengers had a concealed carry howitzer - they could have shot out the flightdeck door...

Well, it just goes to show you that sometimes you die. That doesn't impeach the utility of a gun in other situations.

[mistermack]

According to an expert on the plane I heard on the radio yesterday, it appears that the autopilot mode had to have been deliberately set for a straight-line descent with no "bottom" altitude in order for this to happen. What this means is that the co-pilot had to enter the descent parameters (rate of descent) and then activate the mode WITHOUT entering a lower limit altitude. This had to have been a voluntary act because an autopilot descent with no lower altitude cannot be initiated except by a voluntary act of a pilot.

I don't think that this was an issue. He was flying over mountains and valleys ranging from five to ten thousand feet, so he didn't need to set it to no-limit.
He could have set it to four thousand feet, and he would have been sure to crash.

Tomorrow's papers are claiming that he had suffered from depression.
Dunno where they get their facts from, but money talks.