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by cronus » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:35 am
laklak wrote:Just leave them to it, everyone they slaughter is one less we have to deal with. If Pakistan wanted the Taliban gone, the Taliban would be gone. They got into bed with a nest of fucking vipers and land o' Goshen, slap your grandma, they got bit. Imagine that.
Same goes for these ISIS dickwads. ISIS is grabbing your territory and beheading your citizens? Aww diddums. Get off your sniveling, cowardly asses and do something about it. Go out there and fucking kill them. Kill all of them. Kill their wives and children and aunts and uncles and goats, if necessary. But don't come running to Uncle Sam crying for help, we've had our fill of your IEDs and suicide bombers and other assorted bullshit. Sort out your own shit or don't, it's no skin off our ass.
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by mistermack » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:31 pm
laklak wrote:Just leave them to it, everyone they slaughter is one less we have to deal with. If Pakistan wanted the Taliban gone, the Taliban would be gone. They got into bed with a nest of fucking vipers and land o' Goshen, slap your grandma, they got bit. Imagine that.
Same goes for these ISIS dickwads. ISIS is grabbing your territory and beheading your citizens? Aww diddums. Get off your sniveling, cowardly asses and do something about it. Go out there and fucking kill them. Kill all of them. Kill their wives and children and aunts and uncles and goats, if necessary. But don't come running to Uncle Sam crying for help, we've had our fill of your IEDs and suicide bombers and other assorted bullshit. Sort out your own shit or don't, it's no skin off our ass.
If only America would stop helping other countries.
If only.

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by laklak » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:36 pm
If you run for President you've got my vote, MM.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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by piscator » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:42 pm
God save us from idiots who think America can give away the Mideast with no noticeable effect on the American Way of Life.
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by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:36 pm
America (as well as the rest of us oil addicted nations) should have been transitioning away from oil dependency for a LONG time. Then you could ditch the Middle East to themselves.
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by Xamonas Chegwé » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:42 pm
piscator wrote:God save us from idiots who think America can give away the Mideast with no noticeable effect on the American Way of Life.
On the other hand, you could probably shed huge swathes of the Midwest without anyone even noticing.

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by piscator » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:34 am
Not true. Most of the US Navy is from the Midwest, and the Midwest makes a fine location to spread out our intercontinental ballistic missile arrays.
Just a brief rundown for any Libertarians who may be reading:
To pretend the Mideast is not the problem of an energy addicted society is to pretend there's some other high density liquid energy already on the market at competitive prices. Moreover, to yield the resource to China at reduced prices (which will certainly be the case when American demand is taken away from existing ME supplies in whatever Libertarian isolationist fantasy scenario one cares to spin) is tantamount to granting the ChiComs (and everyone else) a massive competitive advantage over American business.
The US Government is not in business to put us back on whale oil for the benefit of the starving Chinese, hence our strategic presence in the Middle East.
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by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:44 am
Sure, there's no alternative. It's always going to be so while the oil industry stifles investment in alternative technologies. And even if you can't kick your addiction to oil, you could attempt to perform a less profligate form of capitalism that wasn't so energy inefficient and wasteful. That's clearly not going to happen either. Basically, your country is fucked. Don't worry, the rest of us will follow you down the drain too.
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by mistermack » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:24 pm
piscator wrote:God save us from idiots who think America can give away the Mideast with no noticeable effect on the American Way of Life.
Give it away?
You admit that the US owns the Mideast then?
Mind you, I've said for years that Israel is the extra US state, and that Saudi and Kuwait are wholly owned colonies. But people usually say it's bollocks.
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by piscator » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:15 pm
mistermack wrote:piscator wrote:God save us from idiots who think America can give away the Mideast with no noticeable effect on the American Way of Life.
Give it away?
You admit that the US owns the Mideast then?
Mind you, I've said for years that Israel is the extra US state, and that Saudi and Kuwait are wholly owned colonies. But people usually say it's bollocks.
Don't kid yourself, Britain controls a big chunk of it too, and will kill whomever they have to to keep it.
Were it not the Americans and Brits, then it would be the Russians or the Chinese. Such is the draw of a huge tank of high density liquid energy.
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by mistermack » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:23 pm
piscator wrote:mistermack wrote:piscator wrote:God save us from idiots who think America can give away the Mideast with no noticeable effect on the American Way of Life.
Give it away?
You admit that the US owns the Mideast then?
Mind you, I've said for years that Israel is the extra US state, and that Saudi and Kuwait are wholly owned colonies. But people usually say it's bollocks.
Don't kid yourself, Britain controls a big chunk of it too, and will kill whomever they have to to keep it.
Were it not the Americans and Brits, then it would be the Russians or the Chinese. Such is the draw of a huge tank of high density liquid energy.
It doesn't have to be. Venezuela didn't cave in. In spite of all the CIA dirty tricks.
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by piscator » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:28 pm
rEvolutionist wrote:Sure, there's no alternative. It's always going to be so while the oil industry stifles investment in alternative technologies. And even if you can't kick your addiction to oil, you could attempt to perform a less profligate form of capitalism that wasn't so energy inefficient and wasteful. That's clearly not going to happen either. Basically, your country is fucked. Don't worry, the rest of us will follow you down the drain too.
Question begging. You haven't established that inefficient and wasteful capitalism can freeze future energy supplies to present stocks of petroleum (minus usage) and generate fuckedidity or drainage as a country.

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by piscator » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:33 pm
mistermack wrote:piscator wrote:mistermack wrote:piscator wrote:God save us from idiots who think America can give away the Mideast with no noticeable effect on the American Way of Life.
Give it away?
You admit that the US owns the Mideast then?
Mind you, I've said for years that Israel is the extra US state, and that Saudi and Kuwait are wholly owned colonies. But people usually say it's bollocks.
Don't kid yourself, Britain controls a big chunk of it too, and will kill whomever they have to to keep it.
Were it not the Americans and Brits, then it would be the Russians or the Chinese. Such is the draw of a huge tank of high density liquid energy.
It doesn't have to be. Venezuela didn't cave in. In spite of all the CIA dirty tricks.
We'd much rather buy it or bribe it than have to take it, but if push came to shove, Venezuela wouldn't really stand much of a better chance than Argentina now, would they?
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by JimC » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:59 pm
Getting back to the Taliban situation, I'd be betting that this atrocity against a military school might be the extra emotional motivation the Pakistani military needed, in order to go into Taliban-controlled areas with blood in their eye and murder in their heart...
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by pErvinalia » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:30 am
piscator wrote:rEvolutionist wrote:Sure, there's no alternative. It's always going to be so while the oil industry stifles investment in alternative technologies. And even if you can't kick your addiction to oil, you could attempt to perform a less profligate form of capitalism that wasn't so energy inefficient and wasteful. That's clearly not going to happen either. Basically, your country is fucked. Don't worry, the rest of us will follow you down the drain too.
Question begging. You haven't established that inefficient and wasteful capitalism can freeze future energy supplies to present stocks of petroleum (minus usage) and generate fuckedidity or drainage as a country.

You might have to reparse that. Either way, inefficient and wasteful capitalism can't achieve much at all beside accelerating us towards the cliff.
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