SNP acting like "spoilt children"

[Robert_S]

And what's a Tasmania?

That's a devilish question.

[klr]

Victoria, NSW, Queensland, SA, WA ... and that island beyond the Bass strait. 6

I know NT isn't a state - I've caught a couple out on that one myself.

And what's a Tasmania?

That's a devilish question.

[JimC]

Damn, I forgot Tasmania...

Make that Scotland as the 7th state...

[klr]

Damn, I forgot Tasmania...

Make that Scotland as the 7th state...

Does it have any good Aussie Rules players?

[JimC]

Damn, I forgot Tasmania...

Make that Scotland as the 7th state...

Does it have any good Aussie Rules players?

Can Scots thump people?

[klr]

Damn, I forgot Tasmania...

Make that Scotland as the 7th state...

Does it have any good Aussie Rules players?

Can Scots thump people?

See Hermit's Hagar cartoon for one sure-fire way.

A Celtic-Rangers match is another.

[Audley Strange]

Damn, I forgot Tasmania...

Make that Scotland as the 7th state...

Does it have any good Aussie Rules players?

Can Scots thump people?

See Hermit's Hagar cartoon for one sure-fire way.

A Celtic-Rangers match is another.

It's been a while, especially (hahahahaha) after rangers(hahahahhahahah) financial troubles leading them into the 3rd division (which might explain the N.I. fannies behaviour last summer) but yeah, an old firm game has a uniquely dark energy, the game itself is almost insubstantial.

[ronmcd]

Hey! I get to vote in September!!!!!

I just hope you do the right thing! You know what that is!

I'd believe the towel re-folder, naturally.

[ronmcd]

Bollocks Scotland will collapse financially without the pound. Money is imaginary. If Iceland can hold down a sovereign currency with 300k people I'm damn sure Scotland can manage

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Sure, but that's not what the SNP are offering.

SNP are offering a vote on independence, for which they have a mandate. After independence, it will be up to the people who live in Scotland to decide on policy and direction.

Scotland would collapse financially only if we in Scotland were uniquely incapable.

[Clinton Huxley]

I'd keep quiet about ever working for RBoS. The correct answer is, I'd trust neither with the economy.

[mistermack]

Bearing in mind that Salmond wants the Bank of England, and the UK government, to oversee the Scottish economy, and to have the final word on Scottish spending and borrowing, and to stand as guarantor for Scotland's Banks, it looks like Alex Salmond himself has opted for George Osborne.

So it's a fucking stupid question.

[ronmcd]

Bearing in mind that Salmond wants the Bank of England, and the UK government, to oversee the Scottish economy, and to have the final word on Scottish spending and borrowing, and to stand as guarantor for Scotland's Banks, it looks like Alex Salmond himself has opted for George Osborne.

So it's a fucking stupid question.

Of course he doesn't. What he wants is a stable currency in the medium term so that independence doesn't scare the horses. Many others prefer not having a Sterling zone. But the point is it's a very very odd argument from those opposed to independence to say "but this isn't independent *enough*!", when we would have massively more control over the economy of Scotland than we do now.

[DaveDodo007]

A yes vote means Scotland is out of the Sterling zone as that has been made clear. Salmond wants an independent Scotland to be part of the Euro (or how else is Scotland going to be allow to join the EU) though he can't say this out loud because it will scare off the 'don't knows.'

[mistermack]

we would have massively more control over the economy of Scotland than we do now.

I see no indication of that.
Scotland will have to give up any vestige of real control, to persuade any UK government to share the pound. If they could actually manage that, which I doubt.

Salmond would like to paint all three party leaders as people prepared to lie, just to try to influence the vote. I don't believe him for a second.
I don't care much for any of the UK party leaders, but I do credit them with telling the truth about matters of state of that importance. Alex Salmond already knew that he wouldn't get to use the pound. He wants to win the vote, and then be ''bullied'' into joining the Euro.
He just wants to shift the blame, should he win the vote.

As it's been pointed out before, Salmond got a shock, when he won a majority. He didn't want this vote, but he promised it, out of bullshit bravado, thinking he wouldn't have to keep the promise.
He's been fucked up by his own unexpected success at the polls.

[ronmcd]

I don't care much for any of the UK party leaders, but I do credit them with telling the truth about matters of state of that importance.

Deary me.

Alex Salmond already knew that he wouldn't get to use the pound. He wants to win the vote, and then be ''bullied'' into joining the Euro.
He just wants to shift the blame, should he win the vote.

No, I'm pretty sure Salmond and the SNP did not think Osborne & the red and yellow lackeys would come out and say what they did.

The Scottish government asked economists with no link to SNP or independence to look at the macroeconomic framework Scotland could use, and they outlined the various options with a currency zone the one they suggested best for Scotland and the rest of UK. The Treasury itself put out a document last year which said, naturally from their point of view, that the status quo was the best option, but implicitly outlining why a currency zone would be a lesser option but still the best alternative. (edit - A.Darling himself let slip last year that a currency zone was the best idea)

The SNP and many in Scotland (and outside) think the Treasury would not want Scotland using a different currency, and would be pushing for a Sterling zone once the political posturing is over. But Scotland will be absolutely fine if the current line is held, it's perfectly good option to use Sterling without BofE Sterling zone.

There's an interesting perspective difference here though. Many Scots - unionist and pro independence - had this odd assumption that the currency we had all built up, underwritten, and funded with out taxes, was our currency. I wonder if people in England can comprehend how annoying it would be to be told that England did not have any right to use Sterling, based on choosing an English Parliament to make decisions. Think about that.