Weinergate

[sandinista]

very offensive. americans? They even blur butt cracks and dick outlines etc on "reality" tv. A society scared of sex on one side, yet having a huge porn industry on the other? WTF?

Scared of sex? I don't think that's quite accurate.

Some of us are bashful about talking about sex or showing pictured of out nice bits, but we're not exactly scared of it.

"Scared of sex" makes no sense. This non-story story is getting some publicity because people have a fascination with scandal; the guy's a congressman. End of story.

Sandi just likes to poke at all things American as somehow inherently sick and corrupt, be it political or economic or in this case cultural. But damn if I can see some vast difference between Canadian culture and American. His point is just lame bitching.

besides your lame "explanation", there is something about how americans treat sex that is inherently sick and corrupt. Yes, canaduh has the same problem to a certain level. Why blur butt cracks on survivor? Why bleep Bill Maher saying "teabagger" on Letterman...hell this could go on forever. American attitudes towards sex are very strange indeed, I imagine you are just disagreeing for the sake of it. I find it funny how you think ANY criticism of the good 'ol USA is somehow blasphemous. You're like a fundamentalist in that regard. Everything is PERFECT in america, how dare you criticizes our utopian paradise where everything is just fine and perfect the way it is!!! Talk about having a minority opinion. Fuck, I'll criticize canaduh just as easily as the US.

[maiforpeace]

very offensive. americans? They even blur butt cracks and dick outlines etc on "reality" tv. A society scared of sex on one side, yet having a huge porn industry on the other? WTF?

Scared of sex? I don't think that's quite accurate.

Some of us are bashful about talking about sex or showing pictured of out nice bits, but we're not exactly scared of it.

"Scared of sex" makes no sense. This non-story story is getting some publicity because people have a fascination with scandal; the guy's a congressman. End of story.

Sandi just likes to poke at all things American as somehow inherently sick and corrupt, be it political or economic or in this case cultural. But damn if I can see some vast difference between Canadian culture and American. His point is just lame bitching.

besides your lame "explanation", there is something about how americans treat sex that is inherently sick and corrupt.

I won't disagree with you when it comes to the religious right and how they view and treat sex...and yes, it's definitely corrupt and sick in many of those cases. But I have to agree with Ian...this is a congressperson who is also a Democrat, so obviously the religious right is going to skewer him over it. It's a little farfetched to characterize Americans as being more sick and corrupt than anyone else based on this episode.

[sandinista]

very offensive. americans? They even blur butt cracks and dick outlines etc on "reality" tv. A society scared of sex on one side, yet having a huge porn industry on the other? WTF?

Scared of sex? I don't think that's quite accurate.

Some of us are bashful about talking about sex or showing pictured of out nice bits, but we're not exactly scared of it.

"Scared of sex" makes no sense. This non-story story is getting some publicity because people have a fascination with scandal; the guy's a congressman. End of story.

Sandi just likes to poke at all things American as somehow inherently sick and corrupt, be it political or economic or in this case cultural. But damn if I can see some vast difference between Canadian culture and American. His point is just lame bitching.

besides your lame "explanation", there is something about how americans treat sex that is inherently sick and corrupt.

I won't disagree with you when it comes to the religious right and how they view and treat sex...and yes, it's definitely corrupt and sick in many of those cases. But I have to agree with Ian...this is a congressperson who is also a Democrat, so obviously the religious right is going to skewer him over it. It's a little farfetched to characterize Americans as being more sick and corrupt than anyone else based on this episode.

I'm certainly not basing anything on this episode alone. Isn't everyone in US politics religious? Democrat or republican.

[charlou]

I don't think all Americans are puritanical ... Far from it ... But the extremes sandi mentioned are evident. Censoring body images and associated words is not only nannyish, it perpetuates irrational encultured taboos about nudity, imposing them onto all Americans. Larry Flint, on the other hand, worked (and fought) to strip those taboos away, so to speak.

There are phrases associated with nudity, more specifically, genitals, that seem to arise directly out of that taboo thinking ... Describing genitals as 'naughty bits' or 'dirty bits' or 'ugly bits', and sex along similar lines ... and that's not just an American thing, either.

[Bella Fortuna]

there is something about how americans treat sex that is inherently sick and corrupt.

Yeah, but that's what makes it so fucking good, baby!

[Hermit]

I don't think all Americans are puritanical ... Far from it ... But the extremes sandi mentioned are evident. Censoring body images and associated words is not only nannyish, it perpetuates irrational encultured taboos about nudity, imposing them onto all Americans. Larry Flint, on the other hand, worked (and fought) to strip those taboos away, so to speak.

There are phrases associated with nudity, more specifically, genitals, that seem to arise directly out of that taboo thinking ... Describing genitals as 'naughty bits' or 'dirty bits' or 'ugly bits', and sex along similar lines ... and that's not just an American thing, either.

That pretty much sums it up for me. Things just are not black and white. Once again.

[JimC]

I don't think all Americans are puritanical ... Far from it ... But the extremes sandi mentioned are evident. Censoring body images and associated words is not only nannyish, it perpetuates irrational encultured taboos about nudity, imposing them onto all Americans. Larry Flint, on the other hand, worked (and fought) to strip those taboos away, so to speak.

There are phrases associated with nudity, more specifically, genitals, that seem to arise directly out of that taboo thinking ... Describing genitals as 'naughty bits' or 'dirty bits' or 'ugly bits', and sex along similar lines ... and that's not just an American thing, either.

That pretty much sums it up for me. Things just are not black and white. Once again.

But grey is so last century...

[Ian]

This thread is so dumb it's amazing. And Sandi is at fault for that. The discussion of this non-story story could merely be a case of how the media both reflects and fuels human interests in scandal, but like a broken record he had to bring up his look-at-what-those-hypocritical-americans-are-into-now bullshit.

It's not even about sex. And it's certainly not about anything uniquely American. It's a classic media case of Powerful Men Behaving Badly. People all over the world take notice of local stories like this. A controversial photo could implicate that a congressman got drunk and urinated in public, or rear-ended somebody in an incident of road rage, and the media reaction would be identical, including the crass jokes made by the late-night comedians. That such things happen with ordinary people everywhere, everyday means nothing at all - this is a matter of a public servant whom the public expect to behave with a certain higher standard - and then, shock of shocks, turns out to behave like lots of other people. And then the media helps blow up the story for a few days, and in the middle of it bigoted guys like sandi come in to whine about the backwardness and hypocrisy of whichever country the story is originating.

[charlou]

And Sandi is at fault for that.

I'll take the credit for my own opinion.

[Gallstones]

I don't think all Americans are puritanical ... Far from it ... But the extremes sandi mentioned are evident. Censoring body images and associated words is not only nannyish, it perpetuates irrational encultured taboos about nudity, imposing them onto all Americans. Larry Flint, on the other hand, worked (and fought) to strip those taboos away, so to speak.

There are phrases associated with nudity, more specifically, genitals, that seem to arise directly out of that taboo thinking ... Describing genitals as 'naughty bits' or 'dirty bits' or 'ugly bits', and sex along similar lines ... and that's not just an American thing, either.

That pretty much sums it up for me. Things just are not black and white. Once again.

But grey is so last century...

Brown is the new black.

[sandinista]

This thread is so dumb it's amazing. And Sandi is at fault for that. The discussion of this non-story story could merely be a case of how the media both reflects and fuels human interests in scandal, but like a broken record he had to bring up his look-at-what-those-hypocritical-americans-are-into-now bullshit.

It's not even about sex. And it's certainly not about anything uniquely American. It's a classic media case of Powerful Men Behaving Badly. People all over the world take notice of local stories like this. A controversial photo could implicate that a congressman got drunk and urinated in public, or rear-ended somebody in an incident of road rage, and the media reaction would be identical, including the crass jokes made by the late-night comedians. That such things happen with ordinary people everywhere, everyday means nothing at all - this is a matter of a public servant whom the public expect to behave with a certain higher standard - and then, shock of shocks, turns out to behave like lots of other people. And then the media helps blow up the story for a few days, and in the middle of it bigoted guys like sandi come in to whine about the backwardness and hypocrisy of whichever country the story is originating.

If this thread is dumb it's only because patriotic racists like Ian post their garbage here.

[Oeditor]

very offensive. americans? They even blur butt cracks and dick outlines etc on "reality" tv. A society scared of sex on one side, yet having a huge porn industry on the other? WTF?

Quite consistent. "Porn" is only permitted if it makes money.

[Ian]

If this thread is dumb it's only because patriotic racists like Ian post their garbage here.

I'm the racist, huh?
I'd be the bigot if I used this story as an excuse to bash all New Yorkers. Or all Jews (is Weiner one)? Or all westerners. Or if I said something of the sort about all of black culture after the Tiger Woods thing happened. Or if I pulled up some story about the royal family as proof of how screwed up all of British culture is. But I don't say such things. You, however, used this opportunity to once again bitch about all things American, because you hate all things American - never mind that this story isn't even remotely unique to the US. That's what you do on this forum, you hate things and you hate people. Up to and including (and especially) blanket hatred towards entire nations of three hundred million people. And when I call you on it, you say I'm a "patriotic racist", whatever the shite that means.

Sandi, you're a bigot through and through. Just admit it already.

[sandinista]

If this thread is dumb it's only because patriotic racists like Ian post their garbage here.

I'm the racist, huh?
I'd be the bigot if I used this story as an excuse to bash all New Yorkers. Or all Jews (is Weiner one)? Or all westerners. Or if I said something of the sort about all of black culture after the Tiger Woods thing happened. Or if I pulled up some story about the royal family as proof of how screwed up all of British culture is. But I don't say such things. You, however, used this opportunity to once again bitch about all things American, because you hate all things American - never mind that this story isn't even remotely unique to the US. That's what you do on this forum, you hate things and you hate people. Up to and including (and especially) blanket hatred towards entire nations of three hundred million people. And when I call you on it, you say I'm a "patriotic racist", whatever the shite that means.

Sandi, you're a bigot through and through. Just admit it already.

I would try to explain the difference between "hating" a countries policies and government and "hating" individual citizens but I imagine it would be over you head. Would patridiot be a better term for you?

[Ian]

By all means, explain your first post on this thread. Because this non-story has nothing whatsoever to do with US policies or government.

This story originated in the US, and right on cue you took the opportunity to criticize something American - in this case government and policies were not open, so you pissed over all of American culture. Gawd might have used it as an opportunity to criticize him as a Jewish-American. Despite the fact that this sort of thing could happen anywhere in the world.

I merely point out your bigotry, and you figure I'm some flag-waving, my-country-can-do-no-wrong wingnut. Wrong. Disagreeing with your opinions doesn't mean that mine are the exact opposite. That would make me equally stupid.