Muslim cry-babies whine of 'assault on human rights'

[Gonzo]

You either stand up for your own culture. or it gets replaced.

That's an unfair stance. Their culture shouldn't be under attack. You should feel really privledged to say such a thing, as I'm sure you've never had to fight to protect your own culture from the government.

at least the French have the sense to understand that the time to tackle Muslims is when they are a minority.

That's called prejudice.

Unlike in Britain which has gone past the tipping point in numbers so have to be pandered to. or they blow things up.

All of them are blowing things up? Are you okay with perpetuating ugly and racist caricatures?

In the UK 83% of Immigrants since 1997 have been Muslim. and the rest of them are black

Ooo. Frightening! We'll have to treat them as second class citizens so you can have someone to feel superior to. I love that Western Governments brag about being beacons of freedom, democracy, and equality and as soon as they find a minority group to be frightened by, they have nothing to show for it. They have a right to their religion, you'll have to deal with it.

.....and will probably convert later. FACT.

Proof or STFU.

Yes, a law that singles out a minority of people, in aregion of the world where there is a good deal of institutionalized anti-islamic sentiment, as there is in the United States and throughout the Western World.

I don't believe the antiislamic sentiment in the U.S. is very institutionalized - and thanks to our better constitutional enforcement, it's not likely to become so.

You are talking about a country that pulls people into airport security because of their skin color. A country where Sharlia Law is banned in places in has no effect on in the first place. A country, thanks to the Bush adminstration, that has allowed the government to detain people in prisons outside of US law to be tortured without any proof of their having done anything to be there. If you don't think it's institutionalized now, I'd hate to see the world when you deem that it is.

[Gonzo]

Essentially, then, they are being discriminated against for their choice of clothing as it pertains to their culture.

They are protesting, indeed, against the censorship of a person's freedom of religion and their freedom to express that. If you allow the government to take away from one group - you would be a hypocrite if you were to criticize them for any other attack on individual freedoms. For example, an Atheist's right to wear a shirt that says "Fuck God" or a gay person's right to hang a rainbow pride flag outside their door. This is the first step in abusing any other minority and singling them out.

The stupid here is intense - don't want to get too close to it but...

Why do religions get a special freedom of expression - it sounds like bullshit discrimination.

Lots of religions do dumb as fuck things that we don't allow, FGM and the Witch Children stand out as amongst the worst excesses. Because we don't allow them to beat children to death to drive out demons how the fucking shit does it follow that "This is the first step in abusing any other minority and singling them out.".

You've done nothing to prove that this somehow infringes on another person's rights or how it can be justified to single out a group to censor their expression. Really you just proved you're an asshole.

[Seth]

Hey, it's related to their religious liberty: but why should a secular government accommodate the wearing of such a garment in banks, civil buildings like courts, an so on? They don't permit 'hoodies', people wearing motorcycle helmets, and other such types of attire designed to conceal the face, and in many cases, identity. And it only applies to two types of veil, both of which aren't religious requirements, but often imposed by a family or member or cultural pressure.

I agree. There are many laws in communities throughout the US that prohibit the wearing of masks that conceal identity for reasons of public safety. If France had only regulated the wearing of face-covering apparel on THAT basis, and applied it to everyone equally, they wouldn't be having this problem.

[Яasputin]

Yeah cuz banning burkas is a great way to solve the problem. Doesn't anyone in this world actually know how to run a country?

[Robert_S]

Is there any way to tell how much anti-Islam sentiment in Europe has its roots in racism verses the fact that the traditionally Christian majority has been freeing itself from religion over time while the Muslim population seems to be more religious?

They make me nervous, but I'm not racist against dark skinned Muslims... I'm racist against ginger Muslims.


Fucker tried to bomb my state capitol he did.

[Warren Dew]

You are talking about a country that pulls people into airport security because of their skin color.

Interesting. That didn't happen during the Bush administration, which explicitly rejected profiling - leading to complaints about harmless white grannies being randomly selected for pat downs, as I recall. You're saying the Obama administration has changed that policy and now does racial profiling?

[charlou]

Read the OP, was going to add my thoughts, read on and ...

Hey, it's related to their religious liberty: but why should a secular government accommodate the wearing of such a garment in banks, civil buildings like courts, an so on? They don't permit 'hoodies', people wearing motorcycle helmets, and other such types of attire designed to conceal the face, and in many cases, identity. And it only applies to two types of veil, both of which aren't religious requirements, but often imposed by a family or member or cultural pressure.

I agree. There are many laws in communities throughout the US that prohibit the wearing of masks that conceal identity for reasons of public safety. If France had only regulated the wearing of face-covering apparel on THAT basis, and applied it to everyone equally, they wouldn't be having this problem.

Yep, agreed.

Is there any way to tell how much anti-Islam sentiment in Europe has its roots in racism verses the fact that the traditionally Christian majority has been freeing itself from religion over time while the Muslim population seems to be more religious?

Good question.

Is the answer in the first (seth's) quote .. ie, taking a totally secular and pragmatic approach?

[Pappa]

I agree. There are many laws in communities throughout the US that prohibit the wearing of masks that conceal identity for reasons of public safety. If France had only regulated the wearing of face-covering apparel on THAT basis, and applied it to everyone equally, they wouldn't be having this problem.

Yep, agreed.

I think that's what they actually did, ostensibly at least.

[Coito ergo sum]

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[Coito ergo sum]

Here's another one - they want to be able to wear their headdresses on amusement park rides, thereby endangering themselves and others.... http://www.lohud.com/article/20110830/N ... dly-closed

[HomerJay]

Here's another one - they want to be able to wear their headdresses on amusement park rides, thereby endangering themselves and others.... http://www.lohud.com/article/20110830/N ... dly-closed

Now that is funny.

[Pappa]

Here's another one - they want to be able to wear their headdresses on amusement park rides, thereby endangering themselves and others.... http://www.lohud.com/article/20110830/N ... dly-closed

While I understand that "rules are rules" and the park are unlikely to make exceptions, it seems as if the "no headwear" rule on specific rides was probably created with an entirely different set of headwear in mind (such as baseball caps).

[HomerJay]

Here's another one - they want to be able to wear their headdresses on amusement park rides, thereby endangering themselves and others.... http://www.lohud.com/article/20110830/N ... dly-closed

While I understand that "rules are rules" and the park are unlikely to make exceptions, it seems as if the "no headwear" rule on specific rides was probably created with an entirely different set of headwear in mind (such as baseball caps).

They've had three deaths there though, so although the story says it was different headgear, it seems a bit pedantic to have an exact description of the headgear (or scarf) that caused the deaths, ie if one death was caused by a head scarf, would it be worth arguing that a hijab is called a hijab and not a head scarf?

Brooklyn resident Amr Khater, who had come to the park about noon with his family, said his family was told about the hijab rule by park employees when they arrived.
“Everybody got mad, everybody got upset,” he said. “It’s our holiday. Why would you do this to us?”

If this was going to be such a problem, you'd think the organisers would have been very clear about it and people visiting might have visited the website to make sure too?

I would have thought the hijabis would have two questions, can I wear my hijab and how do I stop it from falling off? From what I've seen on some of the muslim boards these are the two questions they always want to know before doing something like this.

[Pappa]

Here's another one - they want to be able to wear their headdresses on amusement park rides, thereby endangering themselves and others.... http://www.lohud.com/article/20110830/N ... dly-closed

While I understand that "rules are rules" and the park are unlikely to make exceptions, it seems as if the "no headwear" rule on specific rides was probably created with an entirely different set of headwear in mind (such as baseball caps).

They've had three deaths there though, so although the story says it was different headgear, it seems a bit pedantic to have an exact description of the headgear (or scarf) that caused the deaths, ie if one death was caused by a head scarf, would it be worth arguing that a hijab is called a hijab and not a head scarf?

Brooklyn resident Amr Khater, who had come to the park about noon with his family, said his family was told about the hijab rule by park employees when they arrived.
“Everybody got mad, everybody got upset,” he said. “It’s our holiday. Why would you do this to us?”

If this was going to be such a problem, you'd think the organisers would have been very clear about it and people visiting might have visited the website to make sure too?

I would have thought the hijabis would have two questions, can I wear my hijab and how do I stop it from falling off? From what I've seen on some of the muslim boards these are the two questions they always want to know before doing something like this.

Fair enough.... I suppose I wasn't thinking of it as something loose that's likely to fall off at all. Now I think about it, that does seem odd.

[HomerJay]

You couldn't make this shit up:

Ahmed Jamil, who booked the event, said park guests should be allowed to wear what they choose on their heads. “Those machines,” he said, “they should design them to be safe enough.”

Sharia compliant roller coasters