Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Trolldor » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:04 pm

Actually there is such a thing as common sense.

It's the kind of thing that lead people to believe the universe has a designer.

Assumption without evidence because it 'seems' reasonable, but it completely ignores any and all evidence.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:09 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:Actually there is such a thing as common sense.

It's the kind of thing that lead people to believe the universe has a designer.

Assumption without evidence because it 'seems' reasonable, but it completely ignores any and all evidence.
Okay, the "common sense" is not GOOD sense. Bettah?
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Trolldor » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:21 pm

mistermack wrote:I'm not convinced by the "thin end of the wedge" or "slippery slope" argument.

It's illegal to make offensive or threatening phone calls, or send similar letters. It hasn't led to overbearing censorship of that kind of communication.
Common sense dictates how far people can go, before they need a legal slap.

I can't see any reason why the same principles can't work well on the net. Common sense should prevail. Someone like this guy should pay for going too far, and taking pleasure in causing distress. We shouldn't make them immune, just in case of the danger that censorship would gradually creep in.
You just make sure that it's restriced to the worst cases. We make it work all the time, perfectly well. It's not rocket science.
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If you've ever looked at case studies you'd know what a bunch of bullshit you just spouted.

Ah... wait... I might have caused offence with that comment. Dear me, off to jail and re-education camp I go.
Okay, the "common sense" is not GOOD sense. Bettah?
About as 'good' as conventional wisdom too.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by mistermack » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:29 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:If you've ever looked at case studies you'd know what a bunch of bullshit you just spouted.

Ah... wait... I might have caused offence with that comment. Dear me, off to jail and re-education camp I go.
Mysterious case studies you can't mention? So I should just take your word for it?
No, thanks.
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by JimC » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:36 pm

...His downfall came about only after he distributed photos of himself to residents on his street, saying he was an internet "troll". His neighbours rang police.
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He's lurking under that bridge, officer!
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:57 pm

JimC wrote:
...His downfall came about only after he distributed photos of himself to residents on his street, saying he was an internet "troll". His neighbours rang police.
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:funny:

He's lurking under that bridge, officer!
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Post by Santa_Claus » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:10 pm

If the penalty is the same for writing rude stuff as killing folk - I can work with that.
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:38 pm

It's surprising who shows up when a thread on trolls is started.
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Trolldor » Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:16 am

mistermack wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:If you've ever looked at case studies you'd know what a bunch of bullshit you just spouted.

Ah... wait... I might have caused offence with that comment. Dear me, off to jail and re-education camp I go.
Mysterious case studies you can't mention? So I should just take your word for it?
No, thanks.
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I don't like to mention them when the people I'm speaking to presume to know what's right and wrong. If you haven't actually looked in to the impact of these sorts of censorship laws then I maybe you ought to do some research on the matter.
Though, it doesn't surprise me you don't given how much you rely on 'common sense'.
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by mistermack » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:29 am

Common sense is at the heart of our legal system. That's what a jury is there to supply. They listen to the evidence, and legal arguments, and then apply common sense. (hopefully).
And the police and prosecutors work on the same principle. They have to guess what a jury would do, when deciding whether or not to prosecute.

If a harassment or privacy law is being abused in some way, it needs amending. That's all. You don't scrap a car because it's got a damaged tyre. That's common sense.
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:40 am

mistermack wrote:Common sense is at the heart of our legal system. That's what a jury is there to supply. They listen to the evidence, and legal arguments, and then apply common sense. (hopefully).
And the police and prosecutors work on the same principle. They have to guess what a jury would do, when deciding whether or not to prosecute.

If a harassment or privacy law is being abused in some way, it needs amending. That's all. You don't scrap a car because it's got a damaged tyre. That's common sense.
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If sense was common we would need traffic laws. (repeat as necessary)
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Trolldor » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:48 am

Common sense is not the heart of a legal system. The heart of a legal system is rational deducation based on the evidence provided, with the individual - or mitigating - circumstances of the case taken in to consideration. Nothing 'common' about it.
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:49 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:Common sense is not the heart of a legal system. The heart of a legal system is rational deducation based on the evidence provided, with the individual - or mitigating - circumstances of the case taken in to consideration. Nothing 'common' about it.
If we had common sense we wouldn't need lawyers.
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Trolldor » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:52 am

If we all used our common sense there wouldn't be anyone left alive to flaunt it about.
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Re: Dead baby taunting troll feels wrath of law

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:05 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:If we all used our common sense there wouldn't be anyone left alive to flaunt it about.
Um, WTF?
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