UK budget hits the poorest hardest, says IFS

[Lozzer]

I'm a poor person, but what this beautiful failure of an independent study fails to take into account is the various incentives and schemes to benefit the poor and return many back into work.

[Feck]

I'm a poor person, but what this beautiful failure of an independent study fails to take into account is the various incentives and schemes to benefit the poor and return many back into work.

You should consider that schemes and incentives to help the poor back to work are of limited use when unemployment is rising , a cursory glance at the incentives (and the stuff they keep quite about)
leaves no doubt about their intent . You swallow sound bites too easily PC and Lozzer .

For example the so called promise that nobody will be worse off by going to work (yeah we all want to work for nothing ) well I can tell you that is a lie ....they carefully ignored council tax ,anybody returning to a minimum wage job will be worse of by the amount of the council tax .

[Elessarina]

I'm sure the trickle down effect will help all those poor people .oh sorry that might not be true if that were the case then the gap wouldn't be increasing between rich and poor would it ?

It did that under Labour since '97 in a huge way

[Posse Comitatus]

So has anyone actually read it yet then?

[Feck]

I'm sure the trickle down effect will help all those poor people .oh sorry that might not be true if that were the case then the gap wouldn't be increasing between rich and poor would it ?

It did that under Labour since '97 in a huge way

Yes I'm glad I didn't vote for "new" labour they just gently carried on Thatcherism when they could have made improvements and changes to repair the damage she did .

[Svartalf]

I'm a poor person, but what this beautiful failure of an independent study fails to take into account is the various incentives and schemes to benefit the poor and return many back into work.

You should consider that schemes and incentives to help the poor back to work are of limited use when unemployment is rising , a cursory glance at the incentives (and the stuff they keep quite about)
leaves no doubt about their intent . You swallow sound bites too easily PC and Lozzer .

For example the so called promise that nobody will be worse off by going to work (yeah we all want to work for nothing ) well I can tell you that is a lie ....they carefully ignored council tax ,anybody returning to a minimum wage job will be worse of by the amount of the council tax .

Especially when most of the "incentives to get the unemployed back to work" I've ever heard of in any country usually mean "take any job, especially ones that are degrading or you're grossly overqualified for, at starveling rates that make even those who usually take such jobs sneer at the offer, or you'll starve anyway because we're cutting all help whatever your decision".

[mistermack]

What's incredibly dishonest of the coalition's presentation of this is comparing cuts in overall income.
If you wanted to be honest about it, you would have to compare the effect on DISPOSABLE income. ie, what you have left after buying the bare necessities for living.
If you look at it in this more realistic way, the effect on the poor is huge, as they have very little, or nothing at all, left after paying for a roof, clothing and food.
The effect on on the rich is tiny in comparison, yet the govornment had the gall to present it as the same effect for all.
.

[Feck]

What's incredibly dishonest of the coalition's presentation of this is comparing cuts in overall income.
If you wanted to be honest about it, you would have to compare the effect on DISPOSABLE income. ie, what you have left after buying the bare necessities for living.
If you look at it in this more realistic way, the effect on the poor is huge, as they have very little, or nothing at all, left after paying for a roof, clothing and food.
The effect on on the rich is tiny in comparison, yet the govornment had the gall to present it as the same effect for all.
.

Screw the poor ,they don't vote Conservative anyway , they can be shat on with impunity by a conservative government .

[Lozzer]

What's incredibly dishonest of the coalition's presentation of this is comparing cuts in overall income.
If you wanted to be honest about it, you would have to compare the effect on DISPOSABLE income. ie, what you have left after buying the bare necessities for living.
If you look at it in this more realistic way, the effect on the poor is huge, as they have very little, or nothing at all, left after paying for a roof, clothing and food.
The effect on on the rich is tiny in comparison, yet the govornment had the gall to present it as the same effect for all.
.

Screw the poor ,they don't vote Conservative anyway , they can be shat on with impunity by a conservative government .

Contrary, many people on the poverty line voted Conservative round here.

[Pensioner]

What's incredibly dishonest of the coalition's presentation of this is comparing cuts in overall income.
If you wanted to be honest about it, you would have to compare the effect on DISPOSABLE income. ie, what you have left after buying the bare necessities for living.
If you look at it in this more realistic way, the effect on the poor is huge, as they have very little, or nothing at all, left after paying for a roof, clothing and food.
The effect on on the rich is tiny in comparison, yet the govornment had the gall to present it as the same effect for all.
.

Screw the poor ,they don't vote Conservative anyway , they can be shat on with impunity by a conservative government .

The problem is a large minority of the poor do not vote. Why should they when the Labour party is seen as nothing more than conservatives but with a smaller c. The strength of the Tories is they when they win an election they look after their core vote the labour party shaft theirs, that’s the difference.

[Svartalf]

What's incredibly dishonest of the coalition's presentation of this is comparing cuts in overall income.
If you wanted to be honest about it, you would have to compare the effect on DISPOSABLE income. ie, what you have left after buying the bare necessities for living.
If you look at it in this more realistic way, the effect on the poor is huge, as they have very little, or nothing at all, left after paying for a roof, clothing and food.
The effect on on the rich is tiny in comparison, yet the govornment had the gall to present it as the same effect for all.
.

Screw the poor ,they don't vote Conservative anyway , they can be shat on with impunity by a conservative government .

Contrary, many people on the poverty line voted Conservative round here.

Same here, in the US, and many other places... I don't know whether that's token to the efficiency of the conservative brainwashing system, or simply of the great unwashed's inherent stupidity and lack of fitness to participate in the political process if they can't even act in their own best interest.

[Lozzer]

What's incredibly dishonest of the coalition's presentation of this is comparing cuts in overall income.
If you wanted to be honest about it, you would have to compare the effect on DISPOSABLE income. ie, what you have left after buying the bare necessities for living.
If you look at it in this more realistic way, the effect on the poor is huge, as they have very little, or nothing at all, left after paying for a roof, clothing and food.
The effect on on the rich is tiny in comparison, yet the govornment had the gall to present it as the same effect for all.
.

Screw the poor ,they don't vote Conservative anyway , they can be shat on with impunity by a conservative government .

Contrary, many people on the poverty line voted Conservative round here.

Same here, in the US, and many other places... I don't know whether that's token to the efficiency of the conservative brainwashing system, or simply of the great unwashed's inherent stupidity and lack of fitness to participate in the political process if they can't even act in their own best interest.

Conservative brainwashing methinks. The most popular 'newspapers' in this region are the Daily Mail and The Sun, both have a right-wing overtone. Besides that. everyone is immeasurably stupid here.

[Feck]

Thank fully I don't read tabloids they make me angry so I stopped for the sake of my sanity .

[Lozzer]

Thank fully I don't read tabloids they make me angry so I stopped for the sake of my sanity .

I occasionally read the Mail on Sunday. There's nothing like feeling a bit of outrage on a Sunday morn'. But then again, I also enjoy indulging in some Richard Littlejohn, his repressed homosexuality has put him on the blink of comedy.

[Svartalf]

I tried reading the Sun back when I was in Ireland, but I stopped when I realized that paper made News of the World and the editorial content of Penthouse look like well researched highbrow stuff.