Hard Brexit or Hard Brexit

[Scot Dutchy]

It’s from the BBC’s point of view, but then of course you view the beeb as a propaganda tool of the government.

Well it is. Just look at QT. We will see if Fiona can change it. The BBC European correspondent is another one that has not got a clue how the EU works.

Barnier has said this is the best deal and there is no other. I know he has a very strong accent but surely the UK government does understand him. It is the arrogance that gets me. They think they have all the time in the world and can strut around like poncy gits while the whole world waits for them: "I want the one with cherry".

[Brian Peacock]

I foresee the Norway Option going back on the table.
Brexit, but not really.

Anything could happen if MPs don't back May's Brexit deal, says Rudd

The work and pensions secretary, Amber Rudd, has conceded “anything could happen” if Theresa May fails to win next week’s historic Commons vote on her Brexit deal – including another referendum or a so-called Norway-plus deal.

The minister, who campaigned to remain during the EU referendum, backed the prime minister’s deal, despite mounting opposition from more than 100 Conservative MPs who have vowed to vote against it.

However, she admitted that if the deal was voted down it could lead to a “people’s vote” or another exit strategy, including a Norway-plus option, which would involve staying in the European Economic Area....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... amber-rudd

[Brian Peacock]

It’s from the BBC’s point of view, but then of course you view the beeb as a propaganda tool of the government.

Well it is. ...

Everyone thinks the BBC is biased, and they always say it's biased in favour of the other side of the argument.

[Rum]

If anyone cares to look the BBC impartiality guidelines are available very easily with a couple of clicks. Of course the sneering cynicism, prejudice and near galaxian level paranoia that seems to abound everywhere these days makes it highly unlikely many, perhaps even the majority, can or will accept such a simple fact.

[JimC]

The simple fact is that everyone is biased except me...

[Rum]

The simple fact is that everyone is biased except me...

Lazy thinking Jim.

Everybody has a subjective point of view. I think the liberal and progressive thing to do is attempt to see the other persons point of view and come to some accommodation. That seems to me to be what the beeb tries to do.

[JimC]

The simple fact is that everyone is biased except me...

Lazy thinking Jim.

Everybody has a subjective point of view. I think the liberal and progressive thing to do is attempt to see the other persons point of view and come to some accommodation. That seems to me to be what the beeb tries to do.

It was said tongue firmly in cheek, really as an example of how most people feel, if only sub-consciously...

[Svartalf]

bah, it takes a cartesian Frenchman to know and eliminate bias in rational thought and considerations about all things

[Hermit]

The simple fact is that everyone is biased except me...

And everyone's set of ideas is ideological except mine.

[Brian Peacock]

May's cabinet splits over second referendum on deal

A deep cabinet split has opened up over whether Theresa May should back a second referendum in a final attempt to end the political deadlock over Brexit, as senior Conservatives predicted on Saturday night that her blueprint for leaving the EU was heading for a crushing House of Commons defeat.

Adding to a mounting sense of constitutional crisis ahead of Tuesday’s crucial parliamentary vote, No 10 is braced for more resignations of ministers and aides who want another referendum, or who believe May’s deal fails to deliver on Brexit. Will Quince, the Colchester MP and aide to the defence secretary, Gavin Williamson, quit his post on Saturday night in protest at the Brexit deal.

Cabinet ministers have told the Observer that attempts to convince May to delay the vote to avoid one of the largest and most humiliating defeats in recent parliamentary history had not been heeded. This was despite what they saw as a clear danger that such a result could provoke a leadership challenge and split the party irrevocably. Some cabinet ministers now believe that May is so wedded to her Brexit deal that her only method of gaining approval will be through another referendum – and that the arguments for a second vote are emerging as stronger than those for a soft Brexit. The prime minister has so far refused to entertain any idea of a second public vote....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... _clipboard

The thing here, if a second referendum were to take place, would be to frame it in such a way that it wasn't a fake choice between a black eye and a cream cake.

In the Sunday Mail today Mrs May lays it on rather thickly, declaring that if her deal is voted down on Tuesday then Britain will end up with a Corbyn government and a no-deal Brexit.

[Rum]

You read the Sunday Mail???

[Scot Dutchy]

He is a dare devil.

[Brian Peacock]

You read the Sunday Mail???

I have the app. I feel dirty, and ashamed of course, but at least I know how the other half think.

[rainbow]

...Britain will end up with a Corbyn government and a no-deal Brexit.

Corbyn could grow a pair, and put an end to this farce.

[Brian Peacock]

The last thing he wants is a clear distinction between the parties over Brexit at a general election. I'm afraid we're either going to get a Tory or a Labour Brexit whatever happens.

The thing that's forgotten is that the UK could have dealt with immigration under existing EU rules - it's just that the Treasury under Osborne and the Home Office under May decided a lax regime had more economic benefits than pitfalls. In true Tory fashion, they only ever really thought about the bottom line.