Another London terror attack

[Hermit]

Not enough, I suppose, until all 2.8 million Muslims living in the UK dress up in sackcloth and ashes and shout in unison: "Death to all Islamic terrorists!"

That would be a start, I guess, but they will also be required to get drunk on gin every Saturday night, to prove that they are civilised...

Gin that has been filtered through the kidneys of pigs. It should be easy to find enough enthusiastic volunteers to do the filtering.

[Brian Peacock]

I think you'd be hard pushed to find one established UK mosque promoting jihad as virtuous behaviour. Small, self-reinforcing groups of embittered young men, and loners, seems to be the order of the day. It's shocking to think that those men in London, or the idiot in Melbourne, thought they were being virtuous 'good' Muslims by what they did - but abandonment to an ideology that outsources your ethics and defers moral consideration to the hereafter will do that to you if it's reinforced enough. Radical Islam is a kind of NLP: when you can't say 'no' any more you have to say 'yes' just to save face. In a way an act of psychological violence is being perpetrated on these poor fools, and it's often depressed old men like Bin Ladan who seem so keen to manipulate the young into making the outside world as appalling a place as the world inside their own heads.

[JimC]

I think you'd be hard pushed to find one established UK mosque promoting jihad as virtuous behaviour. Small, self-reinforcing groups of embittered young men, and loners, seems to be the order of the day. It's shocking to think that those men in London, or the idiot in Melbourne, thought they were being virtuous 'good' Muslims by what they did - but abandonment to an ideology that outsources your ethics and defers moral consideration to the hereafter will do that to you if it's reinforced enough. Radical Islam is a kind of NLP: when you can't say 'no' any more you have to say 'yes' just to save face. In a way an act of psychological violence is being perpetrated on these poor fools, and it's often depressed old men like Bin Ladan who seem so keen to manipulate the young into making the outside world as appalling a place as the world inside their own heads.

I note that at least one of them was on the watch list for basically being a self-confessed jihadist and waving ISIS flags etc. Without even considering anything other than arrest and court appearances, sure proclaiming your allegiance to jihad should be an offence worthy of arrest and trial...

And if the argument against this equates it with political oppression, let's consider a self-proclaimed marxist who waves the red flag at a May Day rally. Identical cases, you might suggest, except for the vital difference that there are no Marxists currently slaughtering civilians in the UK.

As for the mosque thing, if not established mosques, there would still be some sort of religious or social group that should be targeted. They are not isolated islands, they have grey-bearded mentors somewhere...

[Scot Dutchy]

You need good social services and good intelligence and they dont come cheap. May has made a rod for her own back.
We have been up to relatively free of any real trouble because all services are fully funded.

[Galaxian]

Of fucking course Islam is the fucking problem, or at least a YUGE portion of it. Go live in the Mideast for a while. Go live in a supposedly "liberal" Islamic theocracy like Bahrain, where you can eat bacon, get a Russian hooker, and drink Chivas Regal till you puke in your ghutrah. Live there for 3 years and then come back and talk to me about Islam. All the bullshit they spout, all the sexism, all the homophobia, the draconian "justice" system, all of it is religious. ALL of it. There is no separation, religion IS government, religion IS society, religion is every-fucking-thing. Hence the term "theocracy", I suppose, but it goes even further than just a theocratic government. Until you live in it you do not realize how all encompassing Islam is, how it affects every single thing you do every single day. And the thing is, they like it that way. Oh yeah, you get the odd bunch of students who hold up a sign, and are then whisked off to Never-Never Land by the Bahraini Internal Security Police (whose top officer is a white ex-SAS Brit), but the rank and file are not only A-OK with the whole set-up, they wouldn't have it any other way. It is so unlike "radical Christianity" (like what a lot of people assume we in the Southern U.S. live under) that it's fucking laughable.

Yes, Islam is A problem, but so is the Deep State. For some 200 years the "attack" in Manchester & London has been in the planning, by the Foreign Office and other departments of government. Will leave it for you to investigate the history of the setting up pf Wahabi/Salafi Islam & the House of Saud and its relationship to Zionism.

Briefly, this is not a case of WYSIWYG. Secret Services do not operate like that. They work by misdirection, "By deception thou shalt do war!". Neither are government here to protect the flock. They are there to shear the wool, milk the cow, collect the eggs, and eat the meat. Teresa May's fancy speech is a conjurer's trick, to keep you bamboozled longer, as they corral you, ready for the abattoir.

This Agenda 21, and Agenda 2030 is enacted step by step; the Totalitarian Tiptoe... whether you choose to understand it or not. Whether you respond to Galaxian in an intelligible manner or a vacuous one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APCW7l3wFMM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr-W012cqeA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hagas08DP-8


Now, a perceptive person would ask "Why has our government brought in & encouraged Bronze Age superstitious savages?" Note the operative adjective "perceptive". But a dumb-fuck would simply swallow the Trojan Horse disinfo hook, line, & sinker and wonder why Galaxian regards "humans" as a lower order of intelligence, soon to go extinct, replaced by AI... 'nuf said?

[NineBerry]

The Truth is out there!

[Brian Peacock]

The truth is up there as well.

[Svartalf]

your head is up there...

[Rum]

What, after all, is the truth, if you can't embellish it with fantasy paranoia and a touch of psychosis?

[laklak]

If what you're saying is actually true, Galaxian, then we, The Little People, have exactly zero chance of changing anything. Our Reptilian or Illuminati or Rothschild Master have survived every political upheaval and revolution since the dawn of time, and probably planned the whole thing. Makes my approach even more necessary - keep your head down, fly under the radar, use cash only, and have a blue water boat.

Oh, guns and ammo. Stockpile those, and canned food.

[Forty Two]

At a memorial site for the London Bridge attack victims, several Muslim families have been handing out roses attached with a message declaring their disgust at the violence of extremism. Link

‘You’re not welcome in our community either in life or in death’

Scores more imams and Muslim religious leaders have said they will not perform funeral prayers for the perpetrators of the London Bridge attack, bringing the number of signatories to a statement to more than 200.

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The statement was intended to deter extremists who believe that acts of jihad will be rewarded in the hereafter, said Rehanah Sadiq, an Islamic teacher.

Not enough, I suppose, until all 2.8 million Muslims living in the UK dress up in sackcloth and ashes and shout in unison: "Death to all Islamic terrorists!"

I think the whole "Muslims don't speak out enough" line is a red herring. Who cares if none of them, or all of them, speak out? The terrorist problem remains the same. The only reason to be concerned about Muslims speaking out is if their manner of speaking serves to reduce the level of Islamic terrorism out there.

The problem, in my view, is not Muslims, it's Islam. Like all pernicious ideologies, it has to be defeated through criticism, ridicule and opposition. Where folks breathe life into it is in selling the nonsense about how Islam is a religion of peace and that it has no connection with terrorism, even though the terrorists flat out tell us that they are motivated by the religion. The folks railing against "Islamaphobia" and calling criticism of the ideology "racism" are really more of a problem then Muslims who won't speak out against terrorists. If the majority in western countries would simply line up against Islam in the same way our majority in the west oppose Nazism and such, then Islam would go away. Like Nazism, Islam should be legal and not disfavored by the State, who must remain neutral on matters of ideology, but when it comes to the citizenry, we need to recognize that the pillars of Islam are not items that most people subscribe to, and we are free to say we don't like them. We are free to dislike Islam.

[Hermit]

The problem, in my view, is not Muslims, it's Islam.

Where were the suicide bombers, al Quaida, IS, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc in the first half of the last century?

In my view the seed of the problem was planted when the UK sold Palestine to both the Jews and the Palestinians. It got a good watering when the England and France carved up the Middle East between themselves and growth was boosted with the founding of Israel. The biggest boon followed when the US financed the Afghan Mujahideen to the tune of a billion dollars in their proxy war against the commies.

[laklak]

So it's all the Pommie's fault. Figures.

[Forty Two]

The problem, in my view, is not Muslims, it's Islam.

Where were the suicide bombers, al Quaida, IS, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc in the first half of the last century?

Well, here's how the Islamic Ottoman Empire started the first half of the 20th century.

That's the caliphate they want to get back to. Their forces were united. They entered World War 1 on the side of the bad guys, the Central Powers. Islam did not face much resistance internally, but only had flashpoints at the caliphate's borders.

Once the Brits and Frogs won World War 1, brought Germany to its knees and destroyed the Austro-Hungarian Empire, they made sure to likewise break up the Ottoman Empire. Here is the long timeline of caliphate jihad, up through the death of the Ottoman Empire in the teens of the 20th century.

At that time, Turkey is born. From around 1908 and the Young Turks revolution, to the death of the Ottoman Empire, came...drum roll...the Armenian Holocaust.

There wasn't the need to engage in the classic acts of "terrorism" that we see today, because they had the institutional power at the time. So, instead, Islam imposed dhimmi laws, Pact of Omar peonage and "gavour" status for non-Muslims, etc. Islam put its boot on the necks of non-Muslims. And, any criminal acts that would possibly come to light wouldn't, since testimony against Muslims by Christians and Jews was inadmissible in courts of law wherein a Muslim could be punished.

It was the breakup of the Ottoman Empire that has caused the aggression and oppression of Islam to change into the form we began to see during the 20th century.

[JimC]

Forty Two wrote:

...The folks railing against "Islamaphobia" and calling criticism of the ideology "racism" are really more of a problem then Muslims who won't speak out against terrorists...

The difficulty is that a lot of the anti-muslim sentiment in the west is fostered by racist, extreme right wing groups. That makes it difficult to attack Islam (and of course I agree that it should be attacked) without getting into bed with rednecks. I think that is the reason why many on the left go to the extreme of saying that any criticism of Islam equates to racism. They are wrong, but I see the reason they are lead to that position.