And again, most of the destructive agriculture and mono crops on the planet are used for animal feed. Half truths are also half lies. Seriously, that book is a piece of garbage.Warren Dew wrote:Of course it was. It was written by someone who had been vegetarian for years, after all!sandinista wrote:I read the first couple chapters of that "book". wow. So full of errors and half truths I couldn't even believe it got published.
Seriously, half truths are half truth. Lierre Keith certainly gets some things wrong, but she's fundamentally correct about the ecological disaster that is agriculture.
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Bosnian police think they've found the girl. They are going to question her parents. They may get fined up to €5,000.
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People should try to be more understanding. Apparently there are mitigating circumstances to this. The pups were actually wolf cubs, and the girl's name used to be little red riding hood, although she's a bit bigger now. She was traumatised by a wolf as a child, and is thought to be suffering from delayed post-traumatic-stress-disorder.Animavore wrote:Bosnian police think they've found the girl. They are going to question her parents. They may get fined up to €5,000.
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A fine certainly seems like an appropriate way to handle it to me. That provides incentive to take the puppies to a shelter or to a vet.Animavore wrote:Bosnian police think they've found the girl. They are going to question her parents. They may get fined up to €5,000.
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Shouldn't they toss in a littering citation?
I still think no matter what method she used to kill them, having it on youtube is what will get her in trouble.
I still think no matter what method she used to kill them, having it on youtube is what will get her in trouble.
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Let's hope that anyone who sent hate to the girl in Germany is penning their apology just now. I'm not holding my breath.
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Tigger wrote:No, but the warnings are over the top in relation to the possible outcome of eating the product. Eat nuts, die. Eat meat, feel morally corrupted. The labelling should have the health warning at least as prominent as the discomfort caveat.maiforpeace wrote:Tigger wrote:Tell you what, sometimes vegetarianism pisses me off. My daughter has a nut allergy and ingesting peanuts will kill her. It really hacks me off when there is a tiny little allergy warning that you need a scanning electron microscope to read, then on the inside of the packaging, say on the plastic film covering the product, it says all over the place , "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat". That's pandering to arseholes I think. You don't die if you eat meat.![]()
What are you referring to, specifically? Why would vegan or vegetarian packaging even have that on their labels?
Pandering to arseholes? So vegans and vegetarians who demand truth in labeling are arseholes? Also, with veganism and vegetarianism becoming more and more mainstream, why wouldn't someone put that on their label if they want to sell their products to a certain demographic?
Possibly, but I imagine it's the wrath of the righteous that worries them into putting the warnings on.Robert_S wrote:Wouldn't the arseholes be the ones doing the pandering?Tigger wrote:Tell you what, sometimes vegetarianism pisses me off. My daughter has a nut allergy and ingesting peanuts will kill her. It really hacks me off when there is a tiny little allergy warning that you need a scanning electron microscope to read, then on the inside of the packaging, say on the plastic film covering the product, it says all over the place , "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat" "contains meat". That's pandering to arseholes I think. You don't die if you eat meat.
I think Mai and Robert have both misinterpreted this. Tigger's point was not that veggies were somehow responsible for the small print of nut allergy warnings.

He is not exaggerating when he says that he has personally encountered a ready meal (only from one particular store, if I remember rightly), which has the usually obscure and puny allergy warning on the back of the box, but actually had the words CONTAINS MEAT printed liberally all over the plastic film over the top of the food.

His point is that this is bloody ridiculous, not that there should be no labeling regarding the contents of the food, but simply that if anything is going to be made EXTRA OBVIOUS on the packaging, it should be allergy details, not whether it has meat in it or not. As he said, if Mousy accidentally eats nuts, then she's dead, if a vegetarian accidentally eats meat, then that is a billion times less serious.

What he's really asking is why would a manufacturer feel obliged to print the MASSIVE WARNING ALL OVER for vegetarians, but still not feel the need to make the nut warning at least clear as that, if not clear?

Anyway, regarding the video, I've not watched it, but I'm surprised that there is any debate to be had here. I'm not going to pretend I have any moral high ground, because I love meat and I genuinely don't give a shit where it comes from, as long as it tastes good.

That said, I don't think that you can compare the girl's apparent enjoyment to the dark sense of humour that is developed at an abattoir, because I don't think that's the sort of thing that develops on your first day at work in one of those places, or just before you throw puppies into a river? Feel free to correct me, though, Cunt.
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Doubtful, but it does appear that the real culprit has been found http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ ... TE=DEFAULT, she is a juvenile but hopefully her folks can be given a substantial fine (€5,000, which I presume is per case) which may be passed on or not.Thinking Aloud wrote:Let's hope that anyone who sent hate to the girl in Germany is penning their apology just now. I'm not holding my breath.
My parents both grew up either on or near farms and would have beaten the crap out of me if I had treated dogs like this. She could be working this off for a long time, which would be pretty satisfying to me.
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I was looking at this, Feck, and it seems like this is part of the problem. This girls neighbours may kill more puppies per year, in exactly the same fashion, but what gets resisted is having to see it (in this case online). It reminds me of how tough it is to get a look at how slaughterhouses are run. Try to get in there with a camera and you will be resisted.Feck wrote:I do not doubt that slaughtermen share the same grim humour ,just like embalmers do BUT if you post a video of you throwing puppies in a river and making light of it then YOU ARE WRONG !
So is what we are seeing here a revolt against animal abuse? Or is it just a revolt at having to see it?
I wonder just how much work Lozzer, for instance, puts into reducing animal abuse where it isn't 'in his face'.
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I still don't know if this is the right girl. There was reputed to be a large cash reward offered, and some enforcement agency in some other country is claiming they have arrested the youth, but I still wouldn't be ready to cast stones.Thinking Aloud wrote:Let's hope that anyone who sent hate to the girl in Germany is penning their apology just now. I'm not holding my breath.
And I do hope someone is penning an apology. I also kind of like that Lozzer has a large, wrong target listed on his post.

Maybe he will apologize to this stranger he targetted...
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Speaking of cunts like ALF, it's nice to see some animal rights extremists get their comeuppance.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11232012
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11232012
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The real cunts in this story are Huntingdon Life Sciences. Cheers to the people arrested, good work!Animavore wrote:Speaking of cunts like ALF, it's nice to see some animal rights extremists get their comeuppance.
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Once again Morrissey is right on target, although he could have extended the subspecies label to more than the Chinese.
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sandinista, i cant read your links from my mobile, but aren't you at all concerned for the animals targeted by these criminals? Or is your sympathy limited to only non-human and criminal animals?
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No, not at all concerned. More specifically, about as concerned I would be about anyone who tortures animals. Couldn't give a shit. It's the criminals being targeted, not the other way around.Cunt wrote:sandinista, i cant read your links from my mobile, but aren't you at all concerned for the animals targeted by these criminals? Or is your sympathy limited to only non-human and criminal animals?
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sandinista wrote:No, not at all concerned. More specifically, about as concerned I would be about anyone who tortures animals. Couldn't give a shit. It's the criminals being targeted, not the other way around.Cunt wrote:sandinista, i cant read your links from my mobile, but aren't you at all concerned for the animals targeted by these criminals? Or is your sympathy limited to only non-human and criminal animals?
So, do you have a point then?
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Are you drunk then?owtth wrote:sandinista wrote:No, not at all concerned. More specifically, about as concerned I would be about anyone who tortures animals. Couldn't give a shit. It's the criminals being targeted, not the other way around.Cunt wrote:sandinista, i cant read your links from my mobile, but aren't you at all concerned for the animals targeted by these criminals? Or is your sympathy limited to only non-human and criminal animals?
So, do you have a point then?
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