The Donald-thread

[JimC]

Dave, you would have been a natural for the Reichstag fire...

[pErvinalia]

His only defence for his appalling words is unsubstantiated allegations about someone else, not an apology or a personal defence...

He's gone, Dave.

Dead as a Dodo...

He did apologize and said he would be a better person (they where 11 year old comments) personally I wish he had doubled down on his comments as I am fed up with the media pandering to PC and women but baby steps.

Yeah, what's up with the media and its reporting of comments promoting sexual assault?!

Yeah, because women are never attached to rich, powerful alpha males. Wait who I'm I talking to as you will never understand this concept.

Oh right, promoting sexual assault is ok. Gotcha.

[Tyrannical]

Oh right, promoting sexual assault is ok. Gotcha.

Promoting sexual assault is only OK if you're black and a rapper. Then it's not only OK, but it's cool, wins you awards, gets you chicks and can get you invited to the white house to meet Obama

[Brian Peacock]

And besides, there's no politician in the history of politicianing who has lied as much as Trump has lied during his candidacy.

Citation required

On the whole, politicians don't straight-out lie. They are, to quote an expert, often "economical with the actualité", and they often recast things like commitments and promises as 'proposals' and 'aspirations', but flat-out lying is not something a politician wants to be caught doing, because lies of that sort carry an implicit element of aforethought.

Of course, political lying is some contexts is a good thing--"We do not negotiate with terrorists," as former UK PM John Major once categorically stated, while simultaneously authorising secret negotiations with the IRA/Sinn Fein (who had also categorically stated that they would not negotiate with the UK government) which simply would not have happened otherwise, and in the end an uneasy peace was assured--but then there's sping: the dodgy-dossier kind of lying, the strawmanning kind of lying, and the moral outrage kind of lying, all of which the overly eager politician or party fall prey to in spades - often telling themselves, and us, that a little bad is necessary for a greater good.

Politics is built on lies because, like societies, and even families, it's founded on relationships where one party is earnestly trying to achieve their desired ends by manipulating others. In this regard Trump is not a polished liar, he's clearly less adept at lying, less sophisticated, cautious or caring about the fallout of saying and doing whatever he considers necessary for his ends. This makes his lying appear more blunt, obvious, and/or direct, but in that he also, somewhat curiously, marks himself out as a more refreshingly honest kind of dishonest political operator that we've come to expect. Nonetheless, this is no recommendation in itself.

[Tero]

People Trump srewed starting to sue him
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/ ... maps-table

Forward to Feb 2017. Melania has moved out. Trump gets to screw her once a month while bringing the cashier's check. The rest of the time, hookers and his cocaine dealer's 15 year old daughter.

[Scot Dutchy]

You would think laws regarding rape would a federal matter. What a mess.

[Tero]

Tow truck drivers to vote for Trump no matter what:
To Goacher, Trump's swagger and blunt talk of a more forceful America offer hope in dangerous and unstable times. He admires Trump's “no-bull attitude.”

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-t ... story.html

[Tero]

Woman can't have been groped by Trump because...she was arrested for drunk driving? There was no concert? No hand?
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/woma ... g-problem/

[Forty Two]

You would think laws regarding rape would a federal matter. What a mess.

Why in the world would anyone think that?

General criminal law is a state matter. We don't have federal police in the US, yet. All police are at the state and city level. Criminal laws like murder, theft, assault, battery, mayhem, robbery, burglary, arson, destruction of property, dealing in stolen goods, etc. are all generally state offenses.

Federal offenses involve things which are within federal jurisdiction, which is normally stuff which touches on interstate and international issues and the use of interstate commerce. So, prostitution is a state crime, but transporting prostitutes across state lines can be a federal crime. Also, white collar crimes, which involve instrumentalities of interstate commerce, such as mail fraud, bank fraud, bank robbery and that kind of thing. Also, offenses which are part of racketeering organizations which involve interstate commerce or instrumentalities thereof are federal crimes. That sort of thing.

The distinction between federal and state crimes is not based on the seriousness of the offense. A federal crime is not necessarily more serious than a state crime. That's not the test as to whether it's federal. It's federal if it's within federal jurisdiction. In the US, the federal government has delegated police powers, whereas the states have general police powers. What that means is that federal government doesn't have cops. They have things like the FBI and DEA to enforce specific criminal issues within federal jurisdiction. An FBI agent can't pull you over for speeding or arrest you for petty theft (unless he sees you do it), but he can arrest you for online child porn or credit card fraud.

It's not a "mess." It's called federalism, and any federated republic has these kinds of separations of power among federal vs state or provincial governments. They won't all have the exact same distinctions made, but the whole concept of a federal government with smaller state or provincial governments dividing power and jurisdiction is common. The fact that you don't understand it -- or the fact that the Netherlands might do it differently -- doesn't make it a mess. Try to see if you can understand that just because you're used to a given system, you like it, and it's what you understand - that doesn't make it better, and it doesn't make other systems "a mess."

[Tero]

Weapon of mass groping
Vagina hand at work
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl= ... pt0-989549

[JimC]

Has it been labelled Pussygate yet?

[Tero]

Long ago.

Rush Limbaugh did extensive research on airplane arm rests proving AIRPLANE GROPING impossible
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3480602/posts

[Tero]

Rare collectable Republican party pantyhose! Just the thing for your groping fun. Order now!
http://www.terapeak.com/worth/republica ... 438476684/

[Tero]

duplicate

[Strontium Dog]

False dichotomy. You don't have to be a racist, sexist, low IQ, lecherous old pervert to be an anti-politician...

...but it definitely helps.

People wanted politics without politicians, well, here it is. Folk ought to be careful what they wish for.