All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

[Tero]

Give up. He is a troll.

[JimC]

Look, I answered your question completely. What are going to do with that information? You'll be wanting me to jump through a hoop of real fire made with a kleenex wrapped around a coat-hang wire next, and you'll still be thinking up the new and apparently pressing "But what ifs...?" even then.

Now you want to know how we could falsify the effectiveness of this or that policy? When the ppm CO2 in the atmosphere reduces then we'll know its working.

Actually, it will be at least reasonable progress if we clearly slow down its rate of increase.

[pErvinalia]

So France, with their drastic measures, should have greatly reduced co2, and the US, with it's refusal to sign, should have maintained or increased co2, by that logic.

If those things aren't true, is your theory still true?

What theory? Anthropogenic climate change? You are making so little sense on this subject I really don't know what you are going on about.

[pErvinalia]

I wish the climate change proponents would offer a clear, short-term falsifiable claim to support their view of things. Everything is so vague...like it would be tough to tell if France has made the world better off...they certainly have made their country worse off, so how do we know what impact their sacrifice has made to climate change...?

It is, of course, haram to question or criticize climate change claims, so there probably won't be falsifiable short term claims offered...

Global warming can be falsified by global temperatures remaining static or going down over time and thus not rising in an experimentally verified and direct relationship to the ppm amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

Your a lot closer to understanding me.

Lets pretend you all are going to try valiantly, and fail to affect the needed change.

How would we know?

It's certain that at the point we know that, we should shift all effort to dealing with a new climate, but until then, turning things around is the best goal.

So how do we know if, or when it's working?

I've already answered this. Obviously CO2 levels in the atmo.

[JimC]

To give Cunt the benefit of the doubt, he has obliquely confirmed that he agrees that the planet is warming, and that increased CO2 via human use of fossil fuels is the culprit.

But then, if I can understand his confused bleating, he suggests we just put up with it and learn to cope, because taking action against it would require nasty governments to do socialist stuff...

[pErvinalia]

That was Seth's position. "Adapt or die". So erudite.

[Brian Peacock]

It's 'end times' thinking dressed up as fatalism really.

[Cunt]

Yes, and if it doesn't work, how will we know that?

See, it looks like a lot of hopeful going on, and plenty of major players backing out.

You still seem to want to maintain that it is the best way forward, no matter what. I disagree. There is always a time to stop throwing good money after bad. If you can't say when that is, that makes at least two of us.

[Cunt]

To give Cunt the benefit of the doubt, he has obliquely confirmed that he agrees that the planet is warming, and that increased CO2 via human use of fossil fuels is the culprit.

I should clarify. I don't 'agree' that the planet is warming. I accept the conclusions of those who do.

Minor point, but I admit the knowledge I'm using isn't mine directly.

But then, if I can understand his confused bleating, he suggests we just put up with it and learn to cope, because taking action against it would require nasty governments to do socialist stuff...

Nope, you went straight down the shitter there.

It's more this - you kids think you'll fix everything with your giant spending omnibus, but I think you are going to fail hard. All the efforts you put in completely innefectual, and therefore a waste of money which could be better spent almost anywhere else.

I don't know that you are all going to fail, but how is Elon's hypertube coming along? Mars One? That big fancy modern train system in California?

If someone burns a load of diesel trying to fight climate change, but fails, have they not just burned a load of diesel that didn't need to be burned?

[pErvinalia]

Yes, and if it doesn't work, how will we know that?

Stop trolling. I've answered this two times already. Brian has also answered it.

[Cunt]

What I'm asking is, when will you give up?

At what point will it be a failed effort? Or is it like feminism, where you just NEVER define a goal?

[Brian Peacock]

I wish the climate change deniers would offer a clear, short-term falsifiable claim to support their view of things.

[Cunt]

I'm not one of those, so I can't help you.

I wish the moral majority would stop flying millionaires around to pontificate about climate change from their Hollywood pulpits.

Or that you would understand my question. The answer would be awful...the blackest of predictions, but a realistic outlook can't be all rainbows and sunshine, can it?

[pErvinalia]

What I'm asking is, when will you give up?

I pretty much have given up. We're fucked.

[Scot Dutchy]

When cunts like Trump and his family are behind bars.