Palestine v Israel.
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The Palestinian case
One spark for the current fighting is an attempt by Jewish settlers to evict six Palestinian families from their East Jerusalem homes, where they have lived since the 1950s. The settlers have cited a 19th-century real-estate transaction to establish their ownership. Initial Israeli court rulings upheld the evictions, and the Supreme Court has yet to rule on the case.
The Israeli case
The current conflict did not escalate into something approaching war until shortly after 6 p.m. last Monday. That’s when Hamas launched missile attacks on Jerusalem’s civilians. Hamas, which is backed by Iran, has now fired at least 3,350 missiles toward Israel.
Many Israelis ask their critics: What would you do if a terrorist group (which Hamas is, according to the U.S. and European Union) committed to the elimination of your country fired missiles at it day after day, inducing widespread terror? “If it happened to Washington or to New York?” Netanyahu said on CBS this weekend. “You know damn well what you would do.”
Israel’s answer is both defense and offense. It has built a defense system known as Iron Dome, which has intercepted many missiles. And Israel has launched bombing attacks on the buildings and underground tunnels where Hamas stores its missiles. The point of the bombings is to degrade the Hamas threat.
Israel insists that it tries to minimize Palestinian civilian deaths, going so far as announcing some bombings in advance, even though Hamas fighters can then escape. But Israel says that Hamas deliberately stores missiles near civilians, knowing that the resulting casualties help it win global sympathy.
The Palestinian case
One spark for the current fighting is an attempt by Jewish settlers to evict six Palestinian families from their East Jerusalem homes, where they have lived since the 1950s. The settlers have cited a 19th-century real-estate transaction to establish their ownership. Initial Israeli court rulings upheld the evictions, and the Supreme Court has yet to rule on the case.
The Israeli case
The current conflict did not escalate into something approaching war until shortly after 6 p.m. last Monday. That’s when Hamas launched missile attacks on Jerusalem’s civilians. Hamas, which is backed by Iran, has now fired at least 3,350 missiles toward Israel.
Many Israelis ask their critics: What would you do if a terrorist group (which Hamas is, according to the U.S. and European Union) committed to the elimination of your country fired missiles at it day after day, inducing widespread terror? “If it happened to Washington or to New York?” Netanyahu said on CBS this weekend. “You know damn well what you would do.”
Israel’s answer is both defense and offense. It has built a defense system known as Iron Dome, which has intercepted many missiles. And Israel has launched bombing attacks on the buildings and underground tunnels where Hamas stores its missiles. The point of the bombings is to degrade the Hamas threat.
Israel insists that it tries to minimize Palestinian civilian deaths, going so far as announcing some bombings in advance, even though Hamas fighters can then escape. But Israel says that Hamas deliberately stores missiles near civilians, knowing that the resulting casualties help it win global sympathy.
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Re: Palestine v Israel.
Which side uses 'knock bombs'?
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What the fuck is your point? If you have one, get to it.
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Which side uses laser guided ordinance leased from the US, maintainedand loaded onto Israeli jets (bought from the US) by US military personnel?Cunt wrote:Which side uses 'knock bombs'?
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Knock bombs are only used by the side which prefers not to target civilians.
But ignore that, it conflicts with the blue-anon narrative about this being all one-sided.
But ignore that, it conflicts with the blue-anon narrative about this being all one-sided.
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That would be the side that could produce a lot more civilian casualties, but tries not to.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:07 pmWhich side uses laser guided ordinance leased from the US, maintainedand loaded onto Israeli jets (bought from the US) by US military personnel?Cunt wrote:Which side uses 'knock bombs'?
You know, the ones the Nazi's told scary stories about.
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1. Oh how magnanimous of them, to knock before they level a city block.
2. They kill a lot of civilians, jackass.
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As of now the Israeli military claims to have killed at least 130 militants since last Monday. Gaza medical officials say 215 Palestinians have been killed, including 61 children and 36 women, and more than 1,400 wounded. Israeli authorities say 12 people have been killed in Israel, including two children.Cunt wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:10 pmThat would be the side that could produce a lot more civilian casualties, but tries not to.Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:07 pmWhich side uses laser guided ordinance leased from the US, maintainedand loaded onto Israeli jets (bought from the US) by US military personnel?Cunt wrote:Which side uses 'knock bombs'?
Maybe if the US sold the same rockets and planes to the Palestinians that they sold to Israel, the Palestinians could aim at Israeli military more accurately.
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Re: Palestine v Israel.
They ARE getting rockets somewhere...hmmm...where could THAT be...?
Oh, and one side of this conflict seems to be WAY more racist than anyone in US news, while the other seems less racist.
Which US political party do you think is taking the side of the racists?
(Hint: it's the party of the KKK and other greatest racist hits)
Oh, and one side of this conflict seems to be WAY more racist than anyone in US news, while the other seems less racist.
Which US political party do you think is taking the side of the racists?
(Hint: it's the party of the KKK and other greatest racist hits)
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Where do the gazawi get'em rockets?
a) are you sure they can't manufacture them by themselves?
b) Could be anybody muslamic who hates the jews... basically, nearly everybody between the Eastern Mediterranean coast and China... including Saudi, Iran, Irak, turkey... possibly even former soviet block states like Russia and NK...
a) are you sure they can't manufacture them by themselves?
b) Could be anybody muslamic who hates the jews... basically, nearly everybody between the Eastern Mediterranean coast and China... including Saudi, Iran, Irak, turkey... possibly even former soviet block states like Russia and NK...
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a) yup. They sure could. I know very little about their production abilities.
b) any or all. heck, charities are so complex that I can't be sure I haven't tossed money into one side or the other, unaware
I don't know any of the fine details, well enough. I scale back and try to remember not to accidentally support Islam over non-submission. It maybe makes it too easy to empathize with the Isreali government.
b) any or all. heck, charities are so complex that I can't be sure I haven't tossed money into one side or the other, unaware
I don't know any of the fine details, well enough. I scale back and try to remember not to accidentally support Islam over non-submission. It maybe makes it too easy to empathize with the Isreali government.
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Indeed, they are, but they are not getting the high-tech ones the US is selling to the Israeli government. That was my point.
Yes. So?
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It's not about supporting racists or non-racists. It's about brutal oppression. Again, not surprised you have no problem with oppression.Cunt wrote:They ARE getting rockets somewhere...hmmm...where could THAT be...?
Oh, and one side of this conflict seems to be WAY more racist than anyone in US news, while the other seems less racist.
Which US political party do you think is taking the side of the racists?
(Hint: it's the party of the KKK and other greatest racist hits)
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
Re: Palestine v Israel.
So the racists (i.e. - the ones who don't let the Jews into their government, or allow synagogues) are supported by the Republicans?Hermit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:35 amIndeed, they are, but they are not getting the high-tech ones the US is selling to the Israeli government. That was my point.
Yes. So?
The one that keeps creating laws and regulations aimed at making it as hard as possible for blacks to cast their votes: The Republican party.
Or you can't see the racism of Islamists?
I don't know all the details, but try to not align myself with the side that kills gays for being gay. Or Jews for being Jewish.
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