Anti-semitism and Labour

[Rum]

'Proceedings' and an inquiry are not the same thing.

[cronus]

'Proceedings' and an inquiry are not the same thing.

Them criminal proceedings are expensive - your not saying the train has left the station only to stop before reaching it's destination of criminal prosecution?

[Rum]

What?

If you mean what I think you mean then I would not pre-judge the issue. If they find evidence that the law has been broken I guess they will take 'proceedings'.

[pErvinalia]

pErvinalia approves of third-person references.

[cronus]

I'm strictly natural law party myself these days. Doesn't matter if they are guilty or not. The law must do its duty. It's the only way to be sure.

[Rum]

As so often I am struggling to have some notion of what you mean by this..

[cronus]

As so often I am struggling to have some notion of what you mean by this..

I'll be the same in quarter of a century if I live that long. Don't worry.

[laklak]

Natural law is great and everything, but I'm a martial law man myself. If you aren't doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about, Citizen.

[Rum]

As so often I am struggling to have some notion of what you mean by this..

I'll be the same in quarter of a century if I live that long. Don't worry.

Well you won't live that long will you? Have you forgotten that you are doomed?

[JimC]

Is this about the left faction of the British Labour Party who are so anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian that they sometimes appear to cross the line into anti-semitism? Or is it a bit more than "appear"?

[Rum]

Is this about the left faction of the British Labour Party who are so anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian that they sometimes appear to cross the line into anti-semitism? Or is it a bit more than "appear"?

You are correct Jim in your supposition. It is worth noting though that the OP title is misleading (unintentionally probably given the poster) in that if one reads the article in the link it is not the party that is being either investigated or being subjected to ‘proceedings’ but some individuals, who were themselves under scrutiny within the party as it happens.

[JimC]

It is interesting in a political sense. Historically, anti-semitism has been a right-wing phenomenon; now, given the right-wing nature of Zionist Israel, some on the left may be tempted to move from a rational critique of Israeli government policy into the morass of historical jew hatred...

[Hermit]

Crumple's chosen title for this thread suggests he is fishing for a job with the gutter press. There is an enquiry, but no criminal proceedings. The enquiry concerns a number of Labour Party members, not the Labour Party as a political entity. The latter point is emphasised by Tom Watson, the party's deputy leader who

said the announcement was “thoroughly depressing, although sadly I am not surprised. All I can say to you again, if people have committed hate crimes they need to be dealt with by the full force of the law.”

He added that he hoped the Met inquiry would “silence a very small number of people who believe that antisemitism doesn’t exist in my party, or in other parties”.

By coincidence a sort of mirror image of the above development has played out in the New South Wales branch of the conservative national party earlier this week. At least 15 party members resigned or were made to resign when some of the ABC's investigators discovered that they were members of fascist/alt right organisations. (Link).

One would hope that criminally anti-Zionist members among the UK's Labour Party would likewise resign or be purged. If Tom Watson's announcement is anything to go by, this is likely to happen.

[JimC]

Hermit wrote:

...criminally anti-Zionist members...

One surely can be anti-Zionist without either being criminal or anti-Semitic in a racist sense, given that Zionism is a political/religious program with some problematic connotations...

[Hermit]

Hermit wrote:

...criminally anti-Zionist members...

One surely can be anti-Zionist without either being criminal or anti-Semitic in a racist sense, given that Zionism is a political/religious program with some problematic connotations...

Yes. That is why I mentioned criminally anti-Zionist members rather than merely anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic members.