When men were real men

[DaveDodo007]

Oh, look. A dodo. I wonder what kind of dodo this is.

Let me see, now. It walks like an MRA. It talks like an MRA...

I think I made it clear that I sympathize with their views and goals and I wish them all the best because they have to put up with retards like you bad mouthing them. I hope you and all the other dickhead manginas and whiteknights have to go through the family courts or are falsly accused of rape to give you a reality check. That said I can't do the victim mentality thing so I decided to opt out. Though I would rather be an MRA than a sad pussy begging cunt like you, you sad limp wristed fucking faggot.

Yay insults the last refuge of the clueless.

Self diagnosed. You're either hopelessly stupid or a troll.

It's not your sympathies that mark you as someone who has drank that particularly bitter flavour of Kool Aid, I sympathise with some of the stated goals of the MRAs. No, its that you've picked up their groupthought. which is just as narrow as, and a bit more hateful and hypocritical than that of the apelusters.

Two poisons that fail to cancel each other out and are killing the atheist movement.

I was talking about people who use insults in lou of arguments not people who have tried arguments and have given up in frustration and delivered a broadside. The nutjob killer in cali was not an MRA never visited any of their sites. If anybody here had bothered to check then you will find that he was a member of a body building site, an anti PUA site (pick up artists are not a member of the MRA as their only goal is getting pussy they have never been interested in the family courts male suicide rates or anything men's rights related.) In fact being anti pick up artist makes him more feminist as they are anti PUA as he was (for different reasons anyway.) I mean Jesus he was subbed to the Young Turks on youtube, should we ben them rather than the MRA in which he was never a member and never posted on any MRA sites?

Can we do a little experiment Robert_S forget that you are a fence sitter, a diplomat. You are tasked with walking a mile in someone else's moccasins. Put yourself in the shoes of the MRA and you have to counter lies and propaganda about the MRAs promoting violence against women (feel free to show me this is what the MRA does.) Show me were the MRAs have claimed men are entitled to sex. Show me were the MRM are full of hatred against women. For once leave your comfort zone and answer this as if you were an MRA and not Robert_S Lets see how you would react if most of the main stream media were quoting you (the MRA remember) as hating women and not as a group who care about men and boys (who are falling behind in education by the way and being denied due process in the university courts.) So go on Robert_S how would you respond to being demonized in the national press and everywhere online were the left wing media don't bother fact checking and go for witchhunt status. So Robert what would you do in the same circumstances?

[pErvinalia]

I'd call you an arse biscuit!

[DaveDodo007]

DaveDodo007, this is a warning that this post: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 9#p1563519
contains a personal attack against another member. Any repetition will incur an immediate suspension.

I like you JimC but fuck you, I have been called sexist, a women hater and a Christian on this very thread and you have done nothing about it. I am never going to report anyone no matter what they say against me because I believe in free speech and free expression which leaves me at a disadvantage. Don't even dare threaten me with suspension as if you do that, well I'm gone for good. I'm not stupid enough to believe that anyone will miss me but I do hold Rationalia up to a higher standard than other forums, when this place becomes just another forum were people can claim they are free thinking and have critical thinking ability and rational thought processes whilst running to the mods when ever their paradigm is challenged; well count me out. Just watching the 'rationalist' on this site swallow the main stream media' bullshit the that nutter in Cali was an MRA just proves that atheists aren't as rational as they claim to be when their own beliefs are challenged, in fact they are so gullible it is scary.

[surreptitious57]

Can we do a little experiment Robert S forget that you are a fence sitter a diplomat. You are tasked with walking a mile in someone elses moccasins. Put yourself in the shoes of the MRA and you have to counter lies and propaganda about the MRAs promoting violence against women ( feel free to show me this is what the MRA does ) Show me were the MRAs have claimed men are entitled to sex. Show me were the MRM are full of hatred against women. For once leave your comfort zone and answer this as if you were an
MRA and not Robert S lets see how you would react if most of the main stream media were quoting you ( the MRA remember ) as hating women and not as a group who care about men and boys ( who are falling behind in education by the way and being denied due process in the university courts ) So go on Robert S how would you respond to
being demonized in the national press and everywhere online were the left wing media do not bother fact checking and go for witchhunt status. So Robert what would you
do in the same circumstances ?

Well here is what I do Dave : I avoid tribalism of all kinds as the only club I really belong to is the human race and that one is all inclusive so no problem there
For all others I try to keep my distance even if I qualify for membership. No one has a monopoly on wisdom so I take from all and reject nothing less it has been demonstrated to be either illogical or immoral. This principle works for all tribalism and so applies to the feminism / misogyny dichotomy as much as any other
[ and I use misogyny here to simply mean the opposite of feminism and not a term of abuse as it is generally employed ] And one finds valid points on both sides
well as invalid ones too. Nothing is ever set in stone at least in theory and one is constantly moulding and shaping an informed opinion on the subject to come to
the best possible position with the available information. So that is mine both in relation to this and all other topics. You may call it fence sitting but I prefer to
think of it as open mindedness [ see my sig ] It may not work for you but it does for me which is why I use it [ obviously ]

[DaveDodo007]

Can we do a little experiment Robert S forget that you are a fence sitter a diplomat. You are tasked with walking a mile in someone elses moccasins. Put yourself in the shoes of the MRA and you have to counter lies and propaganda about the MRAs promoting violence against women ( feel free to show me this is what the MRA does ) Show me were the MRAs have claimed men are entitled to sex. Show me were the MRM are full of hatred against women. For once leave your comfort zone and answer this as if you were an
MRA and not Robert S lets see how you would react if most of the main stream media were quoting you ( the MRA remember ) as hating women and not as a group who care about men and boys ( who are falling behind in education by the way and being denied due process in the university courts ) So go on Robert S how would you respond to
being demonized in the national press and everywhere online were the left wing media do not bother fact checking and go for witchhunt status. So Robert what would you
do in the same circumstances ?

Well here is what I do Dave : I avoid tribalism of all kinds as the only club I really belong to is the human race and that one is all inclusive so no problem there
For all others I try to keep my distance even if I qualify for membership. No one has a monopoly on wisdom so I take from all and reject nothing less it has been demonstrated to be either illogical or immoral. This principle works for all tribalism and so applies to the feminism / misogyny dichotomy as much as any other
[ and I use misogyny here to simply mean the opposite of feminism and not a term of abuse as it is generally employed ] And one finds valid points on both sides
well as invalid ones too. Nothing is ever set in stone at least in theory and one is constantly moulding and shaping an informed opinion on the subject to come to
the best possible position with the available information. So that is mine both in relation to this and all other topics. You may call it fence sitting but I prefer to
think of it as open mindedness [ see my sig ] It may not work for you but it does for me which is why I use it [ obviously ]

Well you are wrong out of the gate for a start, you are tribalistic from the get go. You can no more relate to 150 people whether you live in a town of thousands or a city of millions. This is simple evolutionary biology and your brain can only cope with society when it imposses its own boundaries. Your brain wasn't evolved to cope with towns or cities and is doing the best it can. I was asking Robert_S what his response would be if he found himself having to defend a view that is at odds with the mainstream media and the current paradigm/mores. I never once asked him to become an MRA just how he would response if a group he was a member once and had to watch while they were demonized and lied about how would he go about setting things straight.

[surreptitious57]

Can we do a little experiment Robert S forget that you are a fence sitter a diplomat. You are tasked with walking a mile in someone elses moccasins. Put your
self in the shoes of the MRA and you have to counter lies and propaganda about the MRAs promoting violence against women ( feel free to show me this is what
the MRA does ) Show me were the MRAs have claimed men are entitled to sex. Show me were the MRM are full of hatred against women. For once leave your
comfort zone and answer this as if you were an MRA and not Robert S lets see how you would react if most of the main stream media were quoting you ( the MRA
remember ) as hating women and not as a group who care about men and boys ( who are falling behind in education by the way and being denied due process in
the university courts ) So go on Robert S how would you respond to being demonized in the national press and everywhere online were the left wing media do not
bother fact checking and go for witchhunt status. So Robert what would you do in the same circumstances ?

Well here is what I do Dave : I avoid tribalism of all kinds as the only club I really belong to is the human race and that one is all inclusive so no problem there
For all others I try to keep my distance even if I qualify for membership. No one has a monopoly on wisdom so I take from all and reject nothing less it has been demonstrated to be either illogical or immoral. This principle works for all tribalism and so applies to the feminism / misogyny dichotomy as much as any other
[ and I use misogyny here to simply mean the opposite of feminism and not a term of abuse as it is generally employed ] And one finds valid points on both sides
well as invalid ones too. Nothing is ever set in stone at least in theory and one is constantly moulding and shaping an informed opinion on the subject to come to
the best possible position with the available information. So that is mine both in relation to this and all other topics. You may call it fence sitting but I prefer to
think of it as open mindedness [ see my sig ] It may not work for you but it does for me which is why I use it [ obviously ]

Well you are wrong out of the gate for a start you are tribalistic from the get go. You can no more relate to 150 people whether you live in a town of thousands or a city of millions. This is simple evolutionary biology and your brain can only cope with society when it imposses its own boundaries. Your brain was not evolved to cope with towns
or cities and is doing the best it can. I was asking Robert S what his response would be if he found himself having to defend a view that is at odds with the mainstream media
and the current paradigm / mores. I never once asked him to become an MRA just how he would response if a group he was a member once and had to watch while they were demonized and lied about how would he go about setting things straight

The opinions I hold are not necessarily the same ones the mainstream media do and so if those two positions are incompatible it does not bother me. As I would much rather be right than be popular and I do not form opinions on the basis of how many agree with them anyway. I think for myself right or wrong and so do not let others do it for me. The only things one should need to defend a particular opinion are logic or reason and evidence or proof and everything else is superfluous to requirement including how popular or unpopular it is. For that says absolutely nothing about its validity. A popular opinion which is wrong is less valid than an unpopular one which is right. So I would actually remove popularity from the equation altogether and just focus on validity instead

[mistermack]

Re the OP, it's funny that people want a cooker installed by a gas fitter, or checked if they do it themselves.
It's just a pipe, with two ends. You connect one end, then you connect the other end. That's it.

Then, you make some frothy bubbles with washing up liquid, and turn the gas on, and cover the joint in bubbles. If the seal is not perfect, you can't miss it, you will see the gas bubbling up.

Compared to wiring a plug, I would say it's a safe operation for anyone who's not a complete moron.
Wiring a plug is much more dangerous. I very nearly got killed by one a friend had wired.

[laklak]

True dat, mrmack. But even wiring is trivial if you have a basic clue. Ya got your hot, ya got your common and ya got your ground, hook up the right ones. Get a multimeter and test the leads before you hook up. Make sure the power is off. Plumbing is a doddle too, the reason I hire plumbers is I fucking hate doing it, particularly sewer lines. I'll fix supply lines but I let someone else dig the shit out. Some stuff requires a bit of practice, like hanging drywall smoothly or plastering, but they're well within the abilities of the average person. It ain't rocket surgery. I'm just about done with rehabilitating a rental home, it's taken a couple of months but I've probably saved $20G doing it myself. Only thing I paid someone to do is replace the plumbing stub going out to the municipal sewer, because I didn't want to be covered in shit and have to dig through 6 feet of dirt by hand.

[mistermack]

True dat, mrmack. But even wiring is trivial if you have a basic clue. Ya got your hot, ya got your common and ya got your ground, hook up the right ones. Get a multimeter and test the leads before you hook up. Make sure the power is off.

True, but you didn't mention the thing that nearly killed me, and that's the cable grip.
My friend didn't tighten the cable grips properly, on the plug of a chest freezer.
The freezer lead was a bit of a stretch to the plug, and someone had given it a good pull to plug it in.
That pulled out the earth wire, and it was resting against the live wire.
The freezer had rubber feet, so it didn't earth out and blow the fuse, but the whole freezer body was live.
I came down one morning in bare feet, to get some bread for toast. I didn't look what I was doing, as I reached for the handle, so I missed it, and just brushed it with the tip of my little finger.
You wouldn't BELIEVE the shock that went through me, up my arm, and down my leg to the floor.

The tip of my finger was burned, and took days to get back to normal. If I had looked what I was doing, I would have been killed. It was just the slightest brush of the tip of a finger. Lucky.

You wouldn't believe that a freezer could be standing there, waiting to kill you.
Nothing wrong with the freezer. Nothing wrong with the plug. Just the cable grip not gripping. That's all it takes, plus a pull on the plug.

[MrJonno]

Re the OP, it's funny that people want a cooker installed by a gas fitter, or checked if they do it themselves.
It's just a pipe, with two ends. You connect one end, then you connect the other end. That's it.

Then, you make some frothy bubbles with washing up liquid, and turn the gas on, and cover the joint in bubbles. If the seal is not perfect, you can't miss it, you will see the gas bubbling up.

Compared to wiring a plug, I would say it's a safe operation for anyone who's not a complete moron.
Wiring a plug is much more dangerous. I very nearly got killed by one a friend had wired.

If you get the gas wrong you risk blowing yourself up and your neighbours, gas fitter sounds good to me.

Regarding wiring a plug yes there are definitely some risks involve in that which is why its illegal to sell anything electrical in the EU (don't know about the US) that isn't pre-fitted with a plug. I doubt if there are many people under 40 these days that even know how to do it

[pErvinalia]

Lol. They come with instructions. It's just three wires.

Regarding gas, it's fucking simple. You could kill yourself and your (or someone's) neighbours in your car. But you do it because it's pretty safe if you know what you are doing. Gas is even simpler. As long as you test for a leak. Fuck, you don't even need to do that. You can smell a leak (well with the gas here you can).

[FBM]

True dat, mrmack. But even wiring is trivial if you have a basic clue. Ya got your hot, ya got your common and ya got your ground, hook up the right ones. Get a multimeter and test the leads before you hook up. Make sure the power is off.

True, but you didn't mention the thing that nearly killed me, and that's the cable grip.
My friend didn't tighten the cable grips properly...

Stopped reading there. Friend needs to tote an ass-whoopin'. 'Nuff said.


My friend in the States went to work for his brother-in-law remodelling houses, etc. Brother-in-law was the only one qualified to do wiring. He was in the attic. He yelled down to my friend, "Jim! You see that wire? Pass it up through that hole." Jim grabbed said wire and on the way up the ladder got the shit shocked out of him. There was a loud thud and predictable curses. Brother-in-law said, "That's alright. I just wanted to find out if it was hot." Brother-in-law was an asshole.

[Hermit]

My friend in the States went to work for his brother-in-law remodelling houses, etc. Brother-in-law was the only one qualified to do wiring. He was in the attic. He yelled down to my friend, "Jim! You see that wire? Pass it up through that hole." Jim grabbed said wire and on the way up the ladder got the shit shocked out of him. There was a loud thud and predictable curses. Brother-in-law said, "That's alright. I just wanted to find out if it was hot." Brother-in-law was an asshole.

I hope that was just a recycled joke.

[FBM]

No. Fraid not. True story.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Lol. They come with instructions. It's just three wires.

Regarding gas, it's fucking simple. You could kill yourself and your (or someone's) neighbours in your car. But you do it because it's pretty safe if you know what you are doing. Gas is even simpler. As long as you test for a leak. Fuck, you don't even need to do that. You can smell a leak (well with the gas here you can).

Simple tasks, yes.
The problem here is one of legality and liability (concerning the gas).
(Btw... I was once sat over the road (about 30 yards, or so) from a house gas explosion and they do a lot of damage. )