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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:26 pm

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JOZeldenrust wrote: Buffets advice isn't to make money off the misfortune of others, it's to make money by enabling those unfortunate others to get out of trouble.
How is that any difference? Investing when they are at their most desperate, so you can make greater return, is making money from their misfortune. If someone genuinely wanted to enable them to get out of trouble, for a fair exchange, they would buy stocks at the price they were before they dropped - but I don't think capitalism would work if people did things fairly.
Would you buy the shares at the price before the price dropped?

If that's what happened, then there wouldn't be a stock market.

It's not like the people who sold were the "little guys who got taken advantage of." On both sides of the stock market ball there were intelligent, qualified investors, and on both sides of the ball there are amateurs and poor folk. Some followed Buffett, others made the decision that Japan might suffer an even worse disaster. Had there been a meltdown of a reactor, it may well be that in the near term those that sold would have been the ones that made the right decision, and Buffett the wrong one.

Needless to say, if everyone just stopped buying stock the Japanese economy would collapse. Moreover, if the buyers now had to buy at the prices of two weeks ago, then those that held their stocks which are now worth much less would be the ones benefitting unfairly. Why should they?

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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by Hermit » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:30 am

Seth wrote:It's my purpose to make sure that the sentiments expressed by the Congress and the President in the 1950s do not become extinct, because our government is once again stuffed to the gills with communists and other dangerous seditious and disloyal elements who need to be removed from office before our nation is "fundamentally transformed" into a socialist tyranny.
Ever since I have come across your description of Obama as a cunning crypto communist, my opinion of your comments have has changed. I used to regard them as the silly rants of extreme right wing libertarianism. Now they just look absurd. Have a nice day.
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Post by Hermit » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:43 am

Seth wrote:...our government is once again stuffed to the gills with communists and other dangerous seditious and disloyal elements...
Aha! That explains not only why .morticia. is allowed to stay in the USA, but how she got in in the first place. Makes me wonder if there's any point reporting her to the United States Department of Homeland Security. That joint is probably riddled with fifth column subversives too. And the FBI...
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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by Seth » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:45 am

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Seth wrote:It's my purpose to make sure that the sentiments expressed by the Congress and the President in the 1950s do not become extinct, because our government is once again stuffed to the gills with communists and other dangerous seditious and disloyal elements who need to be removed from office before our nation is "fundamentally transformed" into a socialist tyranny.
Ever since I have come across your description of Obama as a cunning crypto communist, my opinion of your comments have has changed. I used to regard them as the silly rants of extreme right wing libertarianism. Now they just look absurd. Have a nice day.
The good news is that I don't care what your opinion is because it's an uninformed one, or a deliberately deceptive one. One need only look at Obama's life associations, friends and political mentors to understand that he is a crypto-Marxist and Progressive. When viewed though that lens, all of the seemingly unexplainable things he's done and said, his hypocrisies, his reversals of policy once he became President, his tyrannical acts of abusive executive authority become perfectly understandable and clear.

He did tell us what he was going to do, which is to "fundamentally transform" the United States into something else. The problem is that the idiots who voted for him failed to ask WHAT he was going to transform the country into. Now we know because he's tipped his hand.
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Post by Seth » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:51 am

Seraph wrote:
Seth wrote:...our government is once again stuffed to the gills with communists and other dangerous seditious and disloyal elements...
Aha! That explains not only why .morticia. is allowed to stay in the USA, but how she got in in the first place. Makes me wonder if there's any point reporting her to the United States Department of Homeland Security. That joint is probably riddled with fifth column subversives too. And the FBI...
Indeed. During the Communist infiltration of the federal government, beginning in about 1930 and continuing right up till now, Communist infiltration was particularly heavy in the State Department, where Soviet agents and traitors were able to bypass many of the checks put in place to prevent Communist infiltration so they could hire more Communist agents and sympathizers into the federal government. The evidence of such schemes is conclusive, and some of it has been concealed by classification until quite recently. But now that the Venona Decrypts have been confirmed by the Russians, and many of the FBI and other government archives documents have been declassified, the truth is now coming out.

It would not surprise me at all to find the State Department still infested with Communists and Marxists. After all, Hillary Clinton is Secretary of State.

Back in Truman's day, the FBI was just about the only government agency that was free of Communist infiltrators, thanks to J. Edgar Hoover's antipathy towards Communists and his determination to ferret them out in compliance with the law. Much of the verification of McCarthy's accusations comes from recently declassified FBI files.
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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by charlou » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:25 am

Seethe wrote:...our government is once again stuffed to the gills with communists and other dangerous seditious and disloyal elements...
So much for democracy, eh? Image
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Post by Seth » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:26 am

charlou wrote:
Seethe wrote:...our government is once again stuffed to the gills with communists and other dangerous seditious and disloyal elements...
So much for democracy, eh? Image
The United States is not a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses some limited democratic processes in the selection of representatives.
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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by charlou » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:39 am

Seth wrote:
charlou wrote:
Seethe wrote:...our government is once again stuffed to the gills with communists and other dangerous seditious and disloyal elements...
So much for democracy, eh? Image
The United States is not a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses some limited democratic processes in the selection of representatives.
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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by FBM » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:46 am

Seth wrote:The United States is not a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses some limited democratic processes in the selection of representatives.
That's pretty much the way I remember it. The whole anachronistic electoral college bit, if nothing else, makes a sham of it all. It's a de facto oligarchy, as far as I can tell. Plato hit the nail on the head wrt democracies.
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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by sandinista » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:52 am

FBM wrote:
Seth wrote:The United States is not a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses some limited democratic processes in the selection of representatives.
That's pretty much the way I remember it. The whole anachronistic electoral college bit, if nothing else, makes a sham of it all. It's a de facto oligarchy, as far as I can tell. Plato hit the nail on the head wrt democracies.
Corporate oligarchy to be precise.
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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by Hermit » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:12 am

Seth wrote:
Seraph wrote:
Seth wrote:...our government is once again stuffed to the gills with communists and other dangerous seditious and disloyal elements...
Aha! That explains not only why .morticia. is allowed to stay in the USA, but how she got in in the first place. Makes me wonder if there's any point reporting her to the United States Department of Homeland Security. That joint is probably riddled with fifth column subversives too. And the FBI...
Indeed. During the Communist infiltration of the federal government, beginning in about 1930 and continuing right up till now, Communist infiltration was particularly heavy in the State Department, where Soviet agents and traitors were able to bypass many of the checks put in place to prevent Communist infiltration so they could hire more Communist agents and sympathizers into the federal government. The evidence of such schemes is conclusive, and some of it has been concealed by classification until quite recently. But now that the Venona Decrypts have been confirmed by the Russians, and many of the FBI and other government archives documents have been declassified, the truth is now coming out.

It would not surprise me at all to find the State Department still infested with Communists and Marxists. After all, Hillary Clinton is Secretary of State.
Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue,
I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do,
Them Communists they wus comin' around,
They wus in the air,
They wus on the ground.
They wouldn't gimme no peace...

So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society,
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin' down the road.
Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!

Now we all agree with Hitlers' views,
Although he killed six million Jews.
It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist,
At least you can't say he was a Communist!
That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria.

Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.
I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed,
Looked in the sink, behind the door,
Looked in the glove compartment of my car.
Couldn't find 'em ...

I wus lookin' high an' low for them Reds everywhere,
I wus lookin' in the sink an' underneath the chair.
I looked way up my chimney hole,
I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl.
They got away ...

Well, I wus sittin' home alone an' started to sweat,
Figured they wus in my T.V. set.
Peeked behind the picture frame,
Got a shock from my feet, hittin' right up in the brain.
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did ... them hard-core ones.

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Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes.
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol' Betty Ross ...

Well, I investigated all the books in the library,
Ninety percent of 'em gotta be burned away.
I investigated all the people that I knowed,
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go.
The other two percent are fellow Birchers...just like me.

Now Eisenhower, he's a Russian spy,
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy.
To my knowledge there's just one man
That's really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell.
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus.

Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight
When I run outa things to investigate.
Couldn't imagine doin' anything else,
So now I'm sittin' home investigatin' myself!
Hope I don't find out anything...hmm, great God!

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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by Coito ergo sum » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:52 pm

sandinista wrote:
FBM wrote:
Seth wrote:The United States is not a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic that uses some limited democratic processes in the selection of representatives.
That's pretty much the way I remember it. The whole anachronistic electoral college bit, if nothing else, makes a sham of it all. It's a de facto oligarchy, as far as I can tell. Plato hit the nail on the head wrt democracies.
Corporate oligarchy to be precise.
I own a corporation, but my secret corporate ballot must be getting lost in the mail.

Just going with publicly traded companies in the US there are about 6500 corporations on the NASDAQ and the NYSE alone (not taking into account other stock exchanges).

Oligarchy: a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.

So - who are the few? Got anything more than "the corporations?"

Yeah man - "the corporations" ....they "rule everything" and are trying to trick you into becoming "little Eichmans." LOL I think some folks here starred in the South Park episode "Die, Hippie, Die." http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-ep ... hippie-die "The corporations run the entire world, and they've fooled you into working for them....we've just spent our first semester at college, our professors opened our eyes..." LOL "The government is using its corporate ties to make you sell magazines so they can get rich....just hang with us for a bit --we'll fill you in on everything you haven't been told..." - "The mall is a way for the corporate fat cats to imprison you into a life of servitude...I've got some stuff you should read..."

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Re: Disaster capitalism

Post by FBM » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:35 pm

Halliburton
McDonnell Douglas
General Mills
Cargill
Dean Foods...

They decide the direction the country goes. We're just allowed to squabble over which brand of politician gets to do their bidding.

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