The Special Relationship Between the UK & US Must End

[surreptitious57]

The governmemt of Chile was overthrown courtesy of the United States in 1973. It had no business interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. Kissinger was worried about South America turning Red so had to put a stop to that. The irony is that Allende was democratically elected - the same as Nixon - but because he was a Communist he had to go.

Yup, we've done a lot of that, and we need to do a lot more of it. Opposing Communists is in our national interest, particularly in our hemisphere. Fucking pussies we've had in office lately haven't got the balls for it. We should be getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and into Venezuela and Bolivia and fighting the Marxists down south. It's important to keep the Communists at bay and on the run.

But none of it is about creating an American empire, it's just about resisting tyranny and Communism. Unfortunately, that requires nation building after we've destroyed the tyrants and Communists, so that the people we've just liberated will have a chance to hold on to their freedom.

If we were empire builders, we'd still be occupying Japan, Germany, and a host of other countries we've gone to war with and in. But we aren't. And economic suasion is not empire building, or if it is, every other country on the planet is trying to do the same thing, but aren't as good at it as we are...or were.

God bless America.

[mistermack]

Then I was correct to point out the hypocrisy of a Brit pointing his silly, judgmental finger at others.

Ok, so you say it's hypocritical for a any brit to be critical of any empire-building, because Britain had an empire. A bit like saying Americans shouldn't criticise anyone for dropping a nuclear bomb on a city isn't it?
I'm fed up with your crap. You're just trolling, coming out with rubbish like that.
Not worthy of my time.
Bye.

[sandinista]

Then I was correct to point out the hypocrisy of a Brit pointing his silly, judgmental finger at others.

Ok, so you say it's hypocritical for a any brit to be critical of any empire-building, because Britain had an empire. A bit like saying Americans shouldn't criticise anyone for dropping a nuclear bomb on a city isn't it?
I'm fed up with your crap. You're just trolling, coming out with rubbish like that.
Not worthy of my time.
Bye.

You're only now figuring that out?

[mistermack]

Then I was correct to point out the hypocrisy of a Brit pointing his silly, judgmental finger at others.

Ok, so you say it's hypocritical for a any brit to be critical of any empire-building, because Britain had an empire. A bit like saying Americans shouldn't criticise anyone for dropping a nuclear bomb on a city isn't it?
I'm fed up with your crap. You're just trolling, coming out with rubbish like that.
Not worthy of my time.
Bye.

You're only now figuring that out?

I'm too trusting. It's my only fault. Oh, yeah, and too modest. My only two faults.

[Coito ergo sum]

Then I was correct to point out the hypocrisy of a Brit pointing his silly, judgmental finger at others.

Ok, so you say it's hypocritical for a any brit to be critical of any empire-building, because Britain had an empire. A bit like saying Americans shouldn't criticise anyone for dropping a nuclear bomb on a city isn't it?

The US doesn't have an empire.

If Americans were critical of someone else dropping a nuclear bomb under like circumstances, it would be quite hypocritical, since generally speaking the justification for the bomb use at that time is overwhelmingly acknowledged. Only someone with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and a naive misunderstanding of what the circumstances were in 1945, or a political axe to grind, would make the argument that the bombs were unjustified. I'm sure even you don't fit into those categories...well, maybe I'm not so sure.

I'm fed up with your crap. You're just trolling, coming out with rubbish like that.
Not worthy of my time.
Bye.

Good riddance.

[Coito ergo sum]

Then I was correct to point out the hypocrisy of a Brit pointing his silly, judgmental finger at others.

Ok, so you say it's hypocritical for a any brit to be critical of any empire-building, because Britain had an empire. A bit like saying Americans shouldn't criticise anyone for dropping a nuclear bomb on a city isn't it?
I'm fed up with your crap. You're just trolling, coming out with rubbish like that.
Not worthy of my time.
Bye.

You're only now figuring that out?

I'm too trusting. It's my only fault. Oh, yeah, and too modest. My only two faults.

Still waiting on that summary of the "arming" of Iraq....

What was it again?

Does the US manufacture and sell MiG aircraft? No? Well, that's what was in the Iraqi air farce. Were there F series jets? Answer. No.
Does the US manufacture Kalashnikov rifles? The AK-47? No? Well, that's what the Iraqi military used. Did they use M-16's? Answer. No.
Does the US manufacture SCUD missiles? Answer - no.
Does the US manufacture T-72 Soviet battle tanks? Answer - no. What did Iraq use? The Lion of Babylon - a T-72 version.
So, what are you claiming was purchased from the United States?

During the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s - Iraq's army was primarily equipped with weaponry it had purchased from the Soviet Union and its satellites in the preceding decade. During the war, it purchased billions of dollars worth of advanced equipment from France, the People's Republic of China, Egypt, and Germany.

The only stuff the US sold Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war were helicopters. About $200 million worth. And, there was some indirect aid through the CIA. The bulk of aid from the West, however, came from Germany, France, and the UK. And, nonwestern sources included China, Egypt and Germany. In addition, the "knowledge" regarding unconventional weapons was filtered into Iraq through hundreds of foreign companies from a variety of nations - West Germany, France, UK, yes, the US too, and the People's Republic of China

Iraq's main financial backers in the 1980s were the oil-rich Persian Gulf states, most notably Saudi Arabia ($30.9 billion), Kuwait ($8.2 billion) and the United Arab Emirates ($8 billion). Not the US.

From 1993 to 2003 the US didn't sell much of anything to Iraq, for obvious reasons. France and China and Russia, however, did.

But, you're right - that must be how the US "armed" Iraq....but, yeah - do go on congratulating yourself...