Why shoot to kill?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Just another case of Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

[FBM]

No time to read the whole thread, but I'd just like to say that dead people can't sue.

They can't find a cure for cancer either, so that's where YOUR logic falls down!!
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Did the police officers have cancer?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No time to read the whole thread, but I'd just like to say that dead people can't sue.

They can't find a cure for cancer either, so that's where YOUR logic falls down!!
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Did the police officers have cancer?

"Dr. says I only have fifty years . . . "

[Feck]

You are the guy that has to go find out. You choose.

I'd send in a dog with a video camera.
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No lawyer is worth the life of a dog.

[FBM]

No time to read the whole thread, but I'd just like to say that dead people can't sue.

They can't find a cure for cancer either, so that's where YOUR logic falls down!!
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Did the police officers have cancer?

"Dr. says I only have fifty years . . . "

Don't pay him. He'll give you another 10.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No time to read the whole thread, but I'd just like to say that dead people can't sue.

They can't find a cure for cancer either, so that's where YOUR logic falls down!!
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Did the police officers have cancer?

"Dr. says I only have fifty years . . . "

Don't pay him. He'll give you another 10.

I'm an immoral atheist, why would I pay him at all?

[FBM]

I'm an immoral atheist, why would I pay him at all?

S/He's supplyin' the breakfast babies, right?

[Coito ergo sum]

Fuck him, and anyone else who takes up a gun. I have no sympathy for people who brandish weapons. Anyway, what's a wound? It's not over-effective to "just shoot someone in the leg". Hit the femoral artery and they're dead anyway, and the philosophy is shoot to stop. Unfortunately, in the real world and not the Bruce Willis word of flesh wounds, that probably means kill.

There's no point in debating a DIFFERENT situation.
I'm saying "why shoot to kill" when they clearly don't need to.
And it's easy to say "Fuck him" when it's not YOUR brother, or son, or friend.
It's easy to be callous about others. Not so easy when it's your own.
This guy WAS stopped, he was in a second floor window.
He couldn't get out. If he tried to, then I would say 'fuck him' myself.
But they KNEW he wanted them to shoot. Why not hit him once in the shoulder?
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I think the idea is that there is no such thing as shooting not to kill. By suggesting that he should have been hit in the shoulder, you give too much credit to the accuracy of snipers shooting at a person moving around, from a weird angle, though a window, wind, light, etc.

Maybe they should employ less lethal technologies in these instances - like shoot him with a tranquilizer. Someone might be able to tell my why this is not practical.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm an immoral atheist, why would I pay him at all?

S/He's supplyin' the breakfast babies, right?

Nope, I find 'em in the dumpster outside the local Catholic high school.

[FBM]

I'm an immoral atheist, why would I pay him at all?

S/He's supplyin' the breakfast babies, right?

Nope, I find 'em in the dumpster outside the local Catholic high school.

But the doc supplies your monthly syphillis shots, surely? And all those abortions on demand? That's worth a few bucks, eh?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm an immoral atheist, why would I pay him at all?

S/He's supplyin' the breakfast babies, right?

Nope, I find 'em in the dumpster outside the local Catholic high school.

But the doc supplies your monthly syphillis shots, surely? And all those abortions on demand? That's worth a few bucks, eh?

No, I get syphilis from the local sheep. And abortions? Those are just the deliveries in the girls room after gym class.

[mistermack]

My OP was about the sort of training and procedures that the police employ.
I don't really have any quibble with what they did in this case, because, as the coroner pointed out, they just work to training and laid down procedures. They're not going to go outside these, they have to cover their own backs.

Like I said, police weapons training comes straight from the army manuals. It shouldn't.
The army is training some people who hardly have the brains to scratch their own ass.
To make sure they don't just shoot each other, they have simple drills and do it over and over again.

You would think that the police intake nets a few more brain cells.
And those selected for weapons training and management of this type of operation should have more still.
And yet they employ no "common sense" as the coroner put it, they just work to laid down procedures similar to army ones.

Even if these guys WANTED to shoot to wound, they couldn't.
Otherwise, the whole resposibility for what came after would be laid on them.
Police chief constables these days are just like politicians. If something goes badly, they pass the buck and blame an underling, so it's not surprising everyone sticks to the book.
I'm just saying that procedures should be scrapped, their should be ONE experienced guy giving the orders, and he should make the decision on the spot, not from manuals, and should be backed to the hilt and immune from comebacks, if things turn out badly.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

My OP was about the sort of training and procedures that the police employ.
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And you've demonstrated you know exactly squat about the training and procedures.

[FBM]

OK, so did this one experienced guy have cancer?

[Robert_S]

No time to read the whole thread, but I'd just like to say that dead people can't sue.

They can't find a cure for cancer either, so that's where YOUR logic falls down!!
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OK, so when a brilliant medical researcher flips out, get the tranquilizer gun. If I were in charge of an operation like that, I'd call that one number and have that one guy bring me four of those very special brownies. Two for me and two for the guy flipping out.

In about an hour everything would be nice and copacetic all around.