On the Topic of Hate Speech Laws

[Coito ergo sum]

Yes, I understand that and my example was making an entirely different point. I never intended to say that it was ONLY his skill as an orator resulted in his rise to power. It was instrumental, though, and my real point was that speech is behavior. Distinguishing between the two is arbitrary and merely rhetorical, and adds nothing significant to the discussion.

Edit: Never mind. I'm being pedantic. I'm not adding anything to the discussion.

Behavior means "manner of acting."

An "act" is a "thing done - a deed."

Words are not things you do. Words are not deeds.

It's the difference between "conduct" and "words." They aren't the same thing.

It's not pedantry. It's definition. Words mean things.

[Trolldor]

How you say the words can be action - hand gestures, emphasis. Verbally reciting words is an action, but words are neither behaviour nor action. I can write the words, that's an action, but the letter I write is not an action.

None of it is behaviour, but it can be altered or tempered by my behaviour.

[Cunt]

Also, Cunt, about the '4chan' comment...

Having people identify themselves simply to share an opinion? Hardly perfect.

People will say waht they believe precisely when they can't be indentified.

...and I think using right names would evoke more 'play nice'...

[Trolldor]

It would also stifle the opinions of those who would be in positions where letting their opinion be known could be very detrimental.

[Pensioner]

I’m not convinced by the arguments so far when it comes to giving racist Nazis freedoms of speech, I would rather give them the fist and the boot just like my fathers generation did.

[Coito ergo sum]

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[FBM]

Yes, I understand that and my example was making an entirely different point. I never intended to say that it was ONLY his skill as an orator resulted in his rise to power. It was instrumental, though, and my real point was that speech is behavior. Distinguishing between the two is arbitrary and merely rhetorical, and adds nothing significant to the discussion.

Edit: Never mind. I'm being pedantic. I'm not adding anything to the discussion.

Behavior means "manner of acting."

An "act" is a "thing done - a deed."

Words are not things you do. Words are not deeds.

It's the difference between "conduct" and "words." They aren't the same thing.

It's not pedantry. It's definition. Words mean things.

I think I see at least part of the problem. I'm talking about speaking as a behavior, you're talking about words themselves. We somehow got disconnected from each other's monologues. Anyway, I was just being a pedant. It didn't add anything to the discussion. I looked ahead at where I was going with that train of thought and saw that it turned into a dead end. Probably, anyway.

[charlou]

We've all been silenced anyway, and not even by the law.

I would love to draw big pictures of mohammed and post them here and there, just because some git tells me I can't. That I wouldn't class as incitement to hatred. Just incitement to free speech. But I don't see anyone doing it anywhere.
Maybe the internet should have a "draw mohammed" day, with millions of cartoons going up simultaneously. ( but don't say it was my idea ).
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You're being ironic, right?




PS, Have you seen Pappa's tat? :twisted:

[Pappa]

PS, Have you seen Pappa's tat? :twisted:

Take that Mohammed!!!!!!

[Pensioner]

PS, Have you seen Pappa's tat? :twisted:

Take that Mohammed!!!!!!

I like that so much.

[Coito ergo sum]

That's hate speech, insulting and demeaning. How dare you post that.

Oh, wait....let me ask you first -- what was your "intent" in putting drawings of the Prophet Mohamet on your arm? What purpose were you intending to serve? Can you explain yourself a little, and let us in on just what you were intending on doing?

[Pappa]

That's hate speech, insulting and demeaning. How dare you post that.

Oh, wait....let me ask you first -- what was your "intent" in putting drawings of the Prophet Mohamet on your arm? What purpose were you intending to serve? Can you explain yourself a little, and let us in on just what you were intending on doing?

It was a comment against religious privilege.

[Coito ergo sum]

That's hate speech, insulting and demeaning. How dare you post that.

Oh, wait....let me ask you first -- what was your "intent" in putting drawings of the Prophet Mohamet on your arm? What purpose were you intending to serve? Can you explain yourself a little, and let us in on just what you were intending on doing?

It was a comment against religious privilege.

Right. Hate speech.

[Coito ergo sum]

If we are going to ban speech that tends to incite violence....then maybe Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth should be banned: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38957020/ns ... nd_courts/

[Hermit]

If we are going to ban speech that tends to incite violence....then maybe Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth should be banned: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38957020/ns ... nd_courts/

and The Beatles' Helter Skelter.