HAHAHAHA: USA main backer of al-Qaeda

[Gawd]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I'd need more to go by before I'll lend any credence to the notion that the US is deliberately having itself attacked by parties funded by itself.

You can infer and imply a few things, but you can't claim that we're idiots for not seeing the connection and accepting it here.

Not that you specifically claimed that, but yeah... also I'd lay off the "Americunt"-ing... How on earth is that conducive to a decent forum debate? If you just want vitriolic back and forthing, I'm sure there are plenty of shitty forums you can go do that on ^_^

Gawd doesn't debate, he's a troll. Nothing more.

So Gawdzilla, how about presenting some evidence contrary to the leaked diplomatic reports than?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I'd need more to go by before I'll lend any credence to the notion that the US is deliberately having itself attacked by parties funded by itself.

You can infer and imply a few things, but you can't claim that we're idiots for not seeing the connection and accepting it here.

Not that you specifically claimed that, but yeah... also I'd lay off the "Americunt"-ing... How on earth is that conducive to a decent forum debate? If you just want vitriolic back and forthing, I'm sure there are plenty of shitty forums you can go do that on ^_^

Gawd doesn't debate, he's a troll. Nothing more.

So Gawdzilla, how about presenting some evidence contrary to the leaked diplomatic reports than?

No. I'm watching the Weather Channel and I don't have time.

[JimC]

Saudi Arabia cannot be considered a monolithic entity with unified aims. The corrupt rulers are fighting their own internal war against islamic fundamentalists who consider them to be evil for their western connections. So much oil wealth is sloshing around there that wealthy individuals with a desire to fund jihad abound; the funding isn't a knowing, cynical ploy by the rulers there, it's an activity by elements within their society they cannot help...

However, the US is definietely exercising cynical realpolitik when it cosies up to the royal family there; the US has had a tendency to do this for a long time. Sometimes it comes back and bites them on the bum, as in the case of support for far-right South American dictatorships on the one hand, and the Taliban in days gone by...

Certain alliances may look pragmatically attractive for the short term, but if you want to sup with the devil, you need a damn long spoon...

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

On the (probably mistaken) assumption that there's a little bit of debate going on inbetween the flirting (Gawd, zilla, get a room you two! This is embarrassing in public) Saudi Arabia is most certainly a strong US ally. The US has pursued a twin pillars strategy towards middle eastern power. The general theory being that with two strong US allies in the Middle East, the oil flow is not disrupt-able by Russia or China (who geographically are much closer).

For the past 50 years or so, one of the pillars has been Israel. The other has varied - Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. We usually have another iron in the fire (at the moment, it's either rebuilt Iraq or Turkey) but the two Pillars are who we majorly support and use to stabilize the region against other influences.

The strategy has a limited lifespan in theory, but at two centuries running, it's not THAT limited.