Drunk guy gets tased at Subway

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A drunk dude gets tased at a US College Campus Subway when they get his order wrong and he kicks off.

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I worry sometimes that the US Cops get a bit trigger happy with their tazers, it's meant to be used as a less than lethal i.e. nearly lethal weapon, not just a compliance tool, there are approximately 6 officers present, they could easily have taken down one drunk guy.

What do you guys think? Should they have tased him as they did or should they have instead tried to take him down the old fashioned way?

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I think it is nice. It effectively disables the threat right away. Manhandling might have gotten more violent, so I think tasing is excellent. They should perhaps also have rammed a night stick up his ass for being a douche.

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Hey Link.

Try it.

I think they could have done lots of things, but maybe they didn't want to take a chance that the guy was as tough as he was pretending to be. He was not 'going off', he was attacking, and had assaulted, many around him. Fuck him. His friends might have been willing to take a punch while cooling him down, but I wouldn't. Would you?

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Hey Link.

Try it.

I think they could have done lots of things, but maybe they didn't want to take a chance that the guy was as tough as he was pretending to be. He was not 'going off', he was attacking, and had assaulted, many around him. Fuck him. His friends might have been willing to take a punch while cooling him down, but I wouldn't. Would you?

Good point, They had to do something and I guess they decided that the safest and most effective way would be to tase him. I've never been tased myself so don't know how it feels, but from what I understand it can be quite dangerous for those with existing heart conditions, and obviously you have the chance that as they drop to the ground they'll bash their brains in.

Also on reading up more on the story the guy had just got back from a tour in Iraq which is I guess is why you can hear him talking about a "terrorist threat" and then crying toward the end of the video. Potential sufferer of PTSD?

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He may have been simply drunk...may have been honest about just getting back from Iraq, or may have had other mental health problems. He was not only a danger to himself, but to everyone in reach. He had already demonstrated that.
A conductive energy weapon may kill, but then again, so might an angry drunk punch.

You know, even if he apologizes to everyone he was rude to that evening, this video (of him being rude) will be all that is remembered.

I guess we are being watched all the time.

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I've been shocked by similar devices a couple of times. It hurts like shit, but no damage. The dude was destroying property and threatening innocent bystanders. If I'd been the cop, I'd have given the dude about 3 more seconds to get on his face, but not much more. The crowd was appreciative. They'd been subjected to the dude's shit directly. Those of us watching the vid are removed from it. Reasonably good, though maybe not perfect, work on the officers' part, IMO. Tasing is better and safer than ass-whoopin'. Cops these days don't know who has AIDS or whatever, so bloodshed and inadvertent bodily fluid-swapping through avoidable physical contact is to be avoided whenever possible.

Some cops act like Nazis, but I don't think these were.

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He may have been simply drunk...may have been honest about just getting back from Iraq, or may have had other mental health problems. He was not only a danger to himself, but to everyone in reach. He had already demonstrated that.
A conductive energy weapon may kill, but then again, so might an angry drunk punch.

You know, even if he apologizes to everyone he was rude to that evening, this video (of him being rude) will be all that is remembered.

I guess we are being watched all the time.

I don't disagree, I just worry sometimes that this shoot first, ask questions later mentality can cause serious issues if it's allowed to take hold, a couple of examples are below:


Cop tasers unruly 10 year old at daycare

Cop tasers 86 Year Old bedridden granny

[BrettA]

I've been shocked by similar devices a couple of times. It hurts like shit, but no damage...

Well let's be reasistic, at least. People die (or is that "no damage" because it's past damage?) We've had something like 20 deaths in Canada alone.

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I've been shocked by similar devices a couple of times. It hurts like shit, but no damage...

Well let's be reasistic, at least. People die (or is that "no damage" because it's past damage?) We've had something like 20 deaths in Canada alone.

Just testifying about my personal experiences, which were controlled. Like I said, yes, some cops can get real gestappo about it all and taze people excessively, and those cops should be raped with their own swagger sticks. I just didn't see that in this example.

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One part I did enjoy in the video was the dude in the orange shirt's reflexes.

Drunk guy to friend in black shirt "It's about to get Nuclear"

Drunk guy swings punch

Orange shirt guy dodges punch

[BrettA]

I've been shocked by similar devices a couple of times. It hurts like shit, but no damage...

Well let's be reasistic, at least. People die (or is that "no damage" because it's past damage?) We've had something like 20 deaths in Canada alone.

Just testifying about my personal experiences, which were controlled. Like I said, yes, some cops can get real gestappo about it all and taze people excessively, and those cops should be raped with their own swagger sticks. I just didn't see that in this example.

Ahhh... I took it more as a statement of fact. And looking further into my figure, that was 20 deaths in the 5 years from Summer, 2003 to Summer, 2008 (dunno what's been happening since). But if it's continuing at that rate and the rate is indicative of everywhere else, I disagree with:

I think it is nice. It effectively disables the threat right away. Manhandling might have gotten more violent, so I think tasing is excellent.

(Though: "They should perhaps also have rammed a night stick up his ass for being a douche." sounds apropos).

[Cunt]

He may have been simply drunk...may have been honest about just getting back from Iraq, or may have had other mental health problems. He was not only a danger to himself, but to everyone in reach. He had already demonstrated that.
A conductive energy weapon may kill, but then again, so might an angry drunk punch.

You know, even if he apologizes to everyone he was rude to that evening, this video (of him being rude) will be all that is remembered.

I guess we are being watched all the time.

I don't disagree, I just worry sometimes that this shoot first, ask questions later mentality can cause serious issues if it's allowed to take hold, a couple of examples are below:


Cop tasers unruly 10 year old at daycare

Cop tasers 86 Year Old bedridden granny

And here is a report of a teenaged girl tased while in custody.

Cops can be stupid with or without tasers, though. I hope they learn to use them more from every poor experience. They ARE a bit better than firearms.

[BrettA]

I've been shocked by similar devices a couple of times. It hurts like shit, but no damage...

Well let's be reasistic, at least. People die (or is that "no damage" because it's past damage?) We've had something like 20 deaths in Canada alone.

Just testifying about my personal experiences, which were controlled. Like I said, yes, some cops can get real gestappo about it all and taze people excessively, and those cops should be raped with their own swagger sticks. I just didn't see that in this example.

Ahhh... I took it more as a statement of fact. And looking further into my figure, that was 20 deaths in the 5 years from Summer, 2003 to Summer, 2008 (dunno what's been happening since). But if it's continuing at that rate and the rate is indicative of everywhere else, I disagree with:

I think it is nice. It effectively disables the threat right away. Manhandling might have gotten more violent, so I think tasing is excellent.

Taser deaths in Canada continued since Summer, 2008 (up to 25 by 2009) and there's another inquiry going on as reported here; excerpts follow...

EDMONTON — The mother of a man who died after being Tasered by city police two years ago is worried that she won’t get any answers at a fatality inquiry into the incident because she can’t afford a lawyer to represent her... Police were called and confronted him in the shop, a 10-minute ordeal in which he was Tasered several times. After he was arrested, he went into medical distress and was taken to hospital, where he was pronounced dead... His cause of death was listed as “excited delirium due to the consequences of multiple drug toxicity.”... In his lengthy report released in 2009, former judge Thomas Braidwood said police should continue to use Tasers but warned it is not “helpful” to blame deaths on “excited delirium,” since it avoids having to “examine the underlying medical condition or conditions that actually caused death, let alone examining whether use of the conducted energy weapon and/or subsequent measures to physically restrain the subject contributed to those causes of death.”... When writing in 2009, Braidwood found 25 people had died in Canada since 2003 after a conducted energy weapon was deployed against them.

Someone here will likely point to the guy's pic and claim something like: "No wonder they tasered him to death!"

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They didn't give him much warning did they ? He might have calmed down given the fact that he was cornered by 6 cops ..