Julio Aparicio GORED IN THROAT During Bullfight

[Tigger]

Our carnivorous proclivities are not really germane to this discussion though are they? I don't run around sticking spikes into pigs and goading them before I have a chop. Not usually.

Au contraire. I can assure you that, having worked in a slaughter house many years ago ( when I was a just a wee lad) there is much that would strike a fellow biped like yourself as both repulsive and inhumane. I don't think people quite realize the suffering that is inflicted upon the hapless beasts to ensure that we are all well fed (or at least some of us). Bon appetit... And what of the poor lobsters who are submerged in boiling water? Oh, well, maybe someone can start another thread for that.

My father, to his shame - and he agrees, used to run an intensive pig farm, so I know all about it. I agree that there are many aspects of the meat "industry" that are inhumane, but no activity involved therein actually promotes the enjoyment of an animal's suffering for the sake of entertainment. That's the difference.

Lobsters can be despatched cleanly with a big fuck off knife longitudinally through the cephalothorax.

[Robert_S]

Other reports of the incident are saying that "the crowd screamed in horror" when this happened. Why? Weren't they there to see blood spilt? Shouldn't they have been cheering?




Hypocritical wankers.

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[Epictetus]

Our carnivorous proclivities are not really germane to this discussion though are they? I don't run around sticking spikes into pigs and goading them before I have a chop. Not usually.

Au contraire. I can assure you that, having worked in a slaughter house many years ago ( when I was a just a wee lad) there is much that would strike a fellow biped like yourself as both repulsive and inhumane. I don't think people quite realize the suffering that is inflicted upon the hapless beasts to ensure that we are all well fed (or at least some of us). Bon appetit... And what of the poor lobsters who are submerged in boiling water? Oh, well, maybe someone can start another thread for that.

My father, to his shame - and he agrees, used to run an intensive pig farm, so I know all about it. I agree that there are many aspects of the meat "industry" that are inhumane, but no activity involved therein actually promotes the enjoyment of an animal's suffering for the sake of entertainment. That's the difference.

Lobsters can be despatched cleanly with a big fuck off knife longitudinally through the cephalothorax.

I've been present at many restaurants where the merciful coup de grace was not delivered to the hapless lobster before being submerged in scalding hot water. Also, I wholeheartedly agree that turning a hapless bull into a veritable pin cushion is an appalling spectacle. I'm not much of a humanitarian and must admit that I wouldn't mind seeing the tables turned now and then --as when my dearly departed granddad had his aged hip shattered by a justly enraged bull. I know we humans have to eat, but surely we can devise more humane ways of disposing of our livestock, etc.

[Tigger]

Our carnivorous proclivities are not really germane to this discussion though are they? I don't run around sticking spikes into pigs and goading them before I have a chop. Not usually.

Au contraire. I can assure you that, having worked in a slaughter house many years ago ( when I was a just a wee lad) there is much that would strike a fellow biped like yourself as both repulsive and inhumane. I don't think people quite realize the suffering that is inflicted upon the hapless beasts to ensure that we are all well fed (or at least some of us). Bon appetit... And what of the poor lobsters who are submerged in boiling water? Oh, well, maybe someone can start another thread for that.

My father, to his shame - and he agrees, used to run an intensive pig farm, so I know all about it. I agree that there are many aspects of the meat "industry" that are inhumane, but no activity involved therein actually promotes the enjoyment of an animal's suffering for the sake of entertainment. That's the difference.

Lobsters can be despatched cleanly with a big fuck off knife longitudinally through the cephalothorax.

I've been present at many restaurants where the merciful coup de grace was not delivered to the hapless lobster before being submerged in scalding hot water. Also, I wholeheartedly agree that turning a hapless bull into a veritable pin cushion is an appalling spectacle. I'm not much of a humanitarian and must admit that I wouldn't mind seeing the tables turned now and then --as when my dearly departed granddad had his aged hip shattered by a justly enraged bull. I know we humans have to eat, but surely we can devise more humane ways of disposing of our livestock, etc.

I agree. We buy meat from a local farm, and I am assured that it is all "done" as humanely as possible, but I have my doubts about whether I'd like to be despatched the way I imagine it happens.

[JimC]

Tigger werote:

I agree. We buy meat from a local farm, and I am assured that it is all "done" as humanely as possible, but I have my doubts about whether I'd like to be despatched the way I imagine it happens.

The saving grace is that pigs, cows and sheep can't imagine...

As long as they have a reasonably good life, and a quick death, I am happy to consume their delicious flesh...

[Pappa]

I agree. We buy meat from a local farm, and I am assured that it is all "done" as humanely as possible, but I have my doubts about whether I'd like to be despatched the way I imagine it happens.

We have very strict laws about how food animals are killed in the UK.... except of course for the exceptions for Halal and Kosher meat.

[JimC]

I agree. We buy meat from a local farm, and I am assured that it is all "done" as humanely as possible, but I have my doubts about whether I'd like to be despatched the way I imagine it happens.

We have very strict laws about how food animals are killed in the UK.... except of course for the exceptions for Halal and Kosher meat.

Same in Australia, I gather...

[Tigger]

I agree. We buy meat from a local farm, and I am assured that it is all "done" as humanely as possible, but I have my doubts about whether I'd like to be despatched the way I imagine it happens.

We have very strict laws about how food animals are killed in the UK.... except of course for the exceptions for Halal and Kosher meat.

We do indeed, but I'd rather have some sort of anaesthetic gas, personally.
But Halal and Kosher? That can . Bastards.

[CJ]

Actually the most human method of killing mammals is to slowly reduce the amount of oxygen in the air. There was a TV programme a while ago about the death sentence and what was the most effective, and humane, method. It turned out to be simply reducing oxygen. As the brain becomes starved of oxygen a feeling of euphoria is induced. The way they tested this was to place a moderately hungry pig in a room with a trough of food. They introduced a variety of aesthetic gasses into the room. In all cases the pig stopped eating and showed sighs of awareness that something was going on (which could in some cases simply have been the smell of the gas). However by simply introducing nitrogen to reduce the oxygen level the pig kept eating as if nothing was happened and in due course simply collapsed into the trough apparently completely unaware of what was happening.

Here is a link to an article on the programme http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7183957.stm

[Tigger]

Actually the most human method of killing mammals is to slowly reduce the amount of oxygen in the air. There was a TV programme a while ago about the death sentence and what was the most effective, and humane, method. It turned out to be simply reducing oxygen. As the brain becomes starved of oxygen a feeling of euphoria is induced. The way they tested this was to place a moderately hungry pig in a room with a trough of food. They introduced a variety of aesthetic gasses into the room. In all cases the pig stopped eating and showed sighs of awareness that something was going on (which could in some cases simply have been the smell of the gas). However by simply introducing nitrogen to reduce the oxygen level the pig kept eating as if nothing was happened and in due course simply collapsed into the trough apparently completely unaware of what was happening.

Here is a link to an article on the programme http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7183957.stm

It was with Michael Portillo, wasn't it? Now I'll check the link ...

[Epictetus]

lots of nitrogen --i think...