Die ugly, you prick.

[Rum]

You guys are right, but it is worth remembering the context and the audience here. I doubt people would be comfortable suggesting they are happy someone is about to expire in a more 'generic' forum. We say things here knowing what the audience is, that most of us are like minded and have a lot of views and attitudes in common. That means we can say things which to an outside observer might seem extreme or offensive but in the context of our lot is perhaps, putting it kindly, just a 'bit over the top'.

Just my take on it.

I think this effect is very real but applies no less to fundy sites spewing similar stuff. Each to their own but like I said, it doesn't float my boat - I wouldn't take it seriously enough to conclude those doing it are truly maniacal but I apply the same caution when viewing extreme material from elsewhere too.

Well that's the point isn't it? We all say things when we are with friends we would not dream of saying, say at work. We are always aware of our audience I would have thought and what is and isn't acceptable in that context.

I don't think people need to be taken out back and shot for it (it being discussing murdering those with opposing views or wishing they were skinned and rolled in salt!), here or the fundies - just doesn't really appeal to me personally. I guess I have found (generally in life not Ratz centred) that those who engage in it are also those who condemn others for it, even justify death wishes because it's what the 'they' do. I guess that's why I'm loathed to join in.

It's just not my bag.

Mine neither on the whole, though I have probably succumbed to that sort of language now and again..actually probably not. But I don't find it overly offensive. Nuff said I think.

[Twoflower]

For me at least saying I want someone to die, or I would kill someone is just blowing off steam. I would never actually harm someone unless they were trying to harm me but it feels good to bitch about some of the right wingers in the US.

[devogue]

The people I worked with were using my radio to get their jollies over it, and when the announcer described in loving detail exactly what was going to happen to McVeigh and how it was going to affect him, I had to get up and walk away. Did he need to be killed? Sure. Did we need to revel in it? Hell no.

Hmm. That's debatable.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The people I worked with were using my radio to get their jollies over it, and when the announcer described in loving detail exactly what was going to happen to McVeigh and how it was going to affect him, I had to get up and walk away. Did he need to be killed? Sure. Did we need to revel in it? Hell no.

Hmm. That's debatable.

"Debatable" as in, "the sort of thing a primitive society with a legal system based upon the principle of divine retribution" might dream up. I missed this earlier - good point, Dev.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I wouldn't piss in his mouth if he was dying of thirst.

[Hermit]

I suppose it doesn't matter that you're talking about a fellow human being, here. Wishing death on him and fantasizing murder is a little much, don't you think?

A bit much of what? Are you suggesting that there is something inherently wrong with wishing for the death of individuals you consider to be reflectors as well as catalysts for the horrible things humans do to each other?

I would have had no trouble killing him.

Ah, the joys of vigilantism. One of the most disgusting films I ever watched finished up with Clint Eastwood killing a disarmed baddie with a harpoon, presumably because he is representative of the scum of the earth and 'the system' is failing in its job of deleting such scum from the face of the earth. Vigilantism is a manifestation of placing oneself above the laws of a society one lives in. As such it is inherently anti-social at best. At worst it leads to some kind of dictatorship or another. Think of the street and hall battles between the reds and the brown shirts during the Weimar Republic, for example.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I suppose it doesn't matter that you're talking about a fellow human being, here. Wishing death on him and fantasizing murder is a little much, don't you think?

A bit much of what? Are you suggesting that there is something inherently wrong with wishing for the death of individuals you consider to be reflectors as well as catalysts for the horrible things humans do to each other?

I would have had no trouble killing him.

Ah, the joys of vigilantism. One of the most disgusting films I ever watched finished up with Clint Eastwood killing a disarmed baddie with a harpoon, presumably because he is representative of the scum of the earth and 'the system' is failing in its job of deleting such scum from the face of the earth. Vigilantism is a manifestation of placing oneself above the laws of a society one lives in. As such it is inherently anti-social at best. At worst it leads to some kind of dictatorship or another. Think of the street and hall battles between the reds and the brown shirts during the Weimar Republic, for example.

I have volunteered to "flip the switch" twice and I never lost any sleep over the doing.

[Hermit]

I have volunteered to "flip the switch" twice and I never lost any sleep over the doing.

What are you trying to say with that? Vigilantism is OK?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I have volunteered to "flip the switch" twice and I never lost any sleep over the doing.

What are you trying to say with that? Vigilantism is OK?

Give me the details of the situation. No two situations are ever exactly alike, so each one has to be taken individually.

[Hermit]

I have volunteered to "flip the switch" twice and I never lost any sleep over the doing.

What are you trying to say with that? Vigilantism is OK?

Give me the details of the situation. No two situations are ever exactly alike, so each one has to be taken individually.

Vigilantism has this in common: Illegally punishment of someone for perceived offenses, or a group which metes out extrajudicial punishment to such a person. Often the victims are criminals in the legal sense, however a vigilante may follow a different definition of criminal than the local law. To me the keyword is 'illegal'. Having said that, I don't regard rebels, revolutionaries or resistance fighters as vigilantes. But have it your way. What's your take on killing Pat Robertson?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I have volunteered to "flip the switch" twice and I never lost any sleep over the doing.

What are you trying to say with that? Vigilantism is OK?

Give me the details of the situation. No two situations are ever exactly alike, so each one has to be taken individually.

Vigilantism has this in common: Illegally punishment of someone for perceived offenses, or a group which metes out extrajudicial punishment to such a person. Often the victims are criminals in the legal sense, however a vigilante may follow a different definition of criminal than the local law. To me the keyword is 'illegal'. Having said that, I don't regard rebels, revolutionaries or resistance fighters as vigilantes. But have it your way. What's your take on killing Pat Robertson?

I was never a vigilante, by the definition above.

[Hermit]

I have volunteered to "flip the switch" twice and I never lost any sleep over the doing.

What are you trying to say with that? Vigilantism is OK?

Give me the details of the situation. No two situations are ever exactly alike, so each one has to be taken individually.

Vigilantism has this in common: Illegally punishment of someone for perceived offenses, or a group which metes out extrajudicial punishment to such a person. Often the victims are criminals in the legal sense, however a vigilante may follow a different definition of criminal than the local law. To me the keyword is 'illegal'. Having said that, I don't regard rebels, revolutionaries or resistance fighters as vigilantes. But have it your way. What's your take on killing Pat Robertson?

I was never a vigilante, by the definition above.

No, of course not, but you expressed the wish to be at Robertson's bedside, standing on his oxygen line and you said that you would have had no trouble killing him.

[Ian]

I've been reading http://www.politifact.com recently. It's a website that takes quotes from politicians, pundits, etc. and rates the amount of truth in their statements.
Here's the link to their review of Limbaugh's quotes. He doesn't do very well, but there are some people (Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann, for example) who've drawn even worse ratings in the website's short history.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... tatements/

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I have volunteered to "flip the switch" twice and I never lost any sleep over the doing.

What are you trying to say with that? Vigilantism is OK?

Give me the details of the situation. No two situations are ever exactly alike, so each one has to be taken individually.

Vigilantism has this in common: Illegally punishment of someone for perceived offenses, or a group which metes out extrajudicial punishment to such a person. Often the victims are criminals in the legal sense, however a vigilante may follow a different definition of criminal than the local law. To me the keyword is 'illegal'. Having said that, I don't regard rebels, revolutionaries or resistance fighters as vigilantes. But have it your way. What's your take on killing Pat Robertson?

I was never a vigilante, by the definition above.

No, of course not, but you expressed the wish to be at Robertson's bedside, standing on his oxygen line and you said that you would have had no trouble killing him.

Fuckin' oopsie, that.