Would the Dawk be knighted if he wasn't an atheist?

[Rum]

We Brits have this rather silly New Years honours system, where the great and the good get knighthoods, OBEs and MBEs (medals and recognition) for their achievements. Patrick Stewart got a knighthood this year ffs. Usually a few scientists do too.

The Queen awards these honours technically, though a panel works up the list. The Queen is the head of the Church of England.

Now this stuff is nonsense but it does carry social weight - so do you think our Dicky would get an honour if he was not so in your face as an atheist?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

We Brits have this rather silly New Years honours system, where the great and the good get knighthoods, OBEs and MBEs (medals and recognition) for their achievements. Patrick Stewart got a knighthood this year ffs. Usually a few scientists do too.

The Queen awards these honours technically, though a panel works up the list. The Queen is the head of the Church of England.

Now this stuff is nonsense but it does carry social weight - so do you think our Dicky would get an honour if he was not so in your face as an atheist?

There's a raging debate on JREF about whether or not he's too rude. I asked for instances for when he was being rude. Nobody came up with one. That's not very "in your face", IMNSHO. He's blatantly atheist, but not rude about it.

[Rum]

We Brits have this rather silly New Years honours system, where the great and the good get knighthoods, OBEs and MBEs (medals and recognition) for their achievements. Patrick Stewart got a knighthood this year ffs. Usually a few scientists do too.

The Queen awards these honours technically, though a panel works up the list. The Queen is the head of the Church of England.

Now this stuff is nonsense but it does carry social weight - so do you think our Dicky would get an honour if he was not so in your face as an atheist?

There's a raging debate on JREF about whether or not he's too rude. I asked for instances for when he was being rude. Nobody came up with one. That's not very "in your face", IMNSHO. He's blatantly atheist, but not rude about it.

I agree - he isn't rude. But he is forthright in a way us British tend to be brought up to avoid. Disagreement is generally couched in terms of 'well I respect what you say but my angle on it is...', etc...for better or worse. He certainly doesn't beat about the bush!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I agree - he isn't rude. But he is forthright in a way us British tend to be brought up to avoid. Disagreement is generally couched in terms of 'well I respect what you say but my angle on it is...', etc...for better or worse. He certainly doesn't beat about the bush!

I see what you mean there. The notorious British understatement.

His "rudeness" comes from the fundies, of course, and they have no problem making baseless assertions.

[klr]

Darwin was never knighted, so Dawkins is in very good company.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Darwin was never knighted, so Dawkins is in very good company.

I still LOL when I see the comment about "Why is Darwin buried in Westminster? He's no king!"

[klr]

Darwin was never knighted, so Dawkins is in very good company.

I still LOL when I see the comment about "Why is Darwin buried in Westminster? He's no king!"

[maiforpeace]

Who works up the list? Perhaps someone should start with getting Dawkins on the list?

And if rudeness is a criteria for not being knighted, then why is Elton John knighted?

[JimC]

We Brits have this rather silly New Years honours system, where the great and the good get knighthoods, OBEs and MBEs (medals and recognition) for their achievements. Patrick Stewart got a knighthood this year ffs. Usually a few scientists do too.

The Queen awards these honours technically, though a panel works up the list. The Queen is the head of the Church of England.

Now this stuff is nonsense but it does carry social weight - so do you think our Dicky would get an honour if he was not so in your face as an atheist?

There's a raging debate on JREF about whether or not he's too rude. I asked for instances for when he was being rude. Nobody came up with one. That's not very "in your face", IMNSHO. He's blatantly atheist, but not rude about it.

I agree - he isn't rude. But he is forthright in a way us British tend to be brought up to avoid. Disagreement is generally couched in terms of 'well I respect what you say but my angle on it is...', etc...for better or worse. He certainly doesn't beat about the bush!

I agree with these sentiments. He is forthright, but not "rude", and I suspect he will never get a knighthood given the monarch's connection with the established church...

Who works up the list? Perhaps someone should start with getting Dawkins on the list?

And if rudeness is a criteria for not being knighted, then why is Elton John knighted?

Good point!

These days, being blatantly athiest is a much greater sin than being blatantly gay...

(not that either of them are sins, of course... )

[Feck]

Being Elton John might be a sin

[JimC]

Being Elton John might be a sin

He is a cranky old bugger, isn't he...