JimC wrote:To me, human levels of intelligence require a conscious understanding of self, the motivations and agency that arise from selfhood, the ability to reflect upon an internal stream of thought, and the capacity for complex language to discuss those thoughts with others. At present, none of those attributes are possessed by either animals or AI.
That describes human level intelligence, but anyone who's lived with animals knows they have environmental- and self-awareness, motivations and agency, and complex languages for intra- and extra-species communication. This is only to say that general intelligence is a spectrum rather than a hierarchy, and that making human comprehensible representational language a condition of the definition tends "intelligence" towards the particular and the circular.
I'm certainly not denigrating the interesting complexities of animal cognition, but I still think there is a significant gulf between their mental abilities and human cognition.
I don't think anyone is drawing an equivalence, and I don't think you're denigrating the livestock! The issues I've mentioned follow depending on whether we're talking about "intelligence" in the general sense or holding up the capacities and attributes of humans as the normative standard by which to judge 'the intelligent' as it were - which is both generalising from the particular and falling into the circularity that saw well-educated white men devising tests which determined intelligence as correlated to their own intellectual interests and concerns.
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
I think using "human" intelligence as the gold standard is wrong headed.
Machine intelligence allows for a wide variety of application and far fewer "complications".
There are polymath humans, there are savant humans, there are humans that are barely functional....it's a range and then we have to fit the individual into one use slot or another.
Now we can to a point tailor human intelligence to the task at hand but it comes with a ton of baggage.
Better the machine intelligence built to purpose imnsho.
And it's already here.
As the video makes clear, the problem isn't the tech but its inadequately regulated use.
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
Same situation with capitalism - over sight is critical. Machine intelligence will help.
How?
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Clinton Huxley » 21 Jun 2012 » 14:10:36 GMT
