East and West...in Europe

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East and West...in Europe

Post by Tero » Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:00 pm

Europe seems to have divided into the known EU sphere of influence, and then some countries hanging around the edges: Belarus, Ukraine, Turkey.

Of these, only Turkey has a border to the troublemakers further toward the SE.
Erdogan returns emptyhanded from talks with Putin, Raisi
Erdogan fails to enlist Russian and Iranian support for a fresh Turkish military operation in Syria, but he remains bent on maintaining the pressure.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/20 ... z7ZxYAyWG7
Russia is some kind of player, but cannot be involved with Syria and Ukraine at the same time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2 ... _relations
On 17 July 2022, Russian, Ukrainian and Turkish military delegations met with United Nations officials in Istanbul to start talks on the resumption of exports of Ukrainian grain from the Black Sea port of Odesa. On 22 July 2022, Russian and Ukrainian officials have signed the deal to allow grain exports from Ukrainian Black Sea ports. Under the agreement, a coalition of Turkish, Ukrainian and UN staff will monitor the loading of grain into vessels in Ukrainian ports, to allay Russian fears of weapons smuggling [75][76] before navigating a preplanned route through the Black Sea, which remains heavily mined by Ukrainian and Russian forces
This transport is very slow, and it will take 2 years to ship out grain from Ukraine that has been collecting.

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Post by rasetsu » Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:25 pm

Doesn't matter. Five minutes after signing they resumed bombing the port.

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Post by Tero » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:03 pm

I think they will allow shipments. Russia still trades oil and gas so they can't ignore the world. The bombing was the usual "messing with." Because Ukraine are nazis.

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Post by Svartalf » Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:31 pm

If russia destroys Odessa harbor, I don't think the agreement can go through in any shape or form
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Post by Tero » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:43 pm

It's nothing, just "high tech warfare":
Russia said on Sunday its forces had hit a Ukrainian warship and a weapons store in Odesa with its high-precision missiles.

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Post by Tero » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:47 am

Moldova
https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the- ... n-invasion
Butwhen they got to the biggest news story that’s come out of Moldova in recent weeks—that the country could be Russia’s next target after Ukraine—the teachers seemed more excited than terrified about the prospect.

“That would be great,” one of the teachers, 36-year-old Anzhela, told The Daily Beast. “Maybe then Russian gas will be cheaper for us.”

The European Union granted Moldova, a country of 2.6 million people, candidate status in June. But the closer Moldova aligns to the West, the more dangerously pro-Russian regions like Gagauzia bubble with separatist ideas. This at a time when the Kremlin’s key propagandist, Vladimir Solovyev, announced on live television that Russia’s plan in southern Ukraine was to “reach Transnistria,” the breakaway territory of Moldova.

“If Russia attacks us, what shall we do? Will we send the army to defend us with a hoe?,” Moldovan President Mayu Sandu warned last week. “We do not want to become involved in the war, but it is a reality for which we need to be ready.”

The most influential leader of the country's pro-Russia movement is former president and opposition leader Igor Dodon, a man so loyal to Vladimir Putin that he’s earned nicknames like “Putin’s mini-me,” and “the czar’s doormat.” As president, he went so far as to say Moldova is in need of a “patriot” like Vladimir Putin. The Russian leader, on the other hand, seems perfectly aware of Dodon’s affinity toward him: he once publicly suggested that the Moldovan politician was his personal jester.
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Leichu is a fan of Putin despite the vicious, nearly five-month war that has destroyed dozens of Ukrainian cities and killed thousands of civilians. “A majority of Moldovans like Putin more than all other post-Soviet leaders because he is strong, he is winning, it’s easier for people to understand what he wants,” Leichu said. “Our recent problems with Russia started after President Sandu decided not to travel to Moscow and meet with Putin. The inflation is already 32 percent and Sandu fails to explain to our public why life without Russia and as an ally of the European Union would be better.”

“We speak Russian, we teach at school in Russian, we all have relatives in Russia, while under this government, we already have 30 percent of inflation, more than in the war-torn Ukraine. Our salaries are nuts!” the oldest of the teachers in the group, 62-year- old Tatiana, told The Daily Beast. “If Putin takes over, we’ll have decent lives.”

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