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Post by NineBerry » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:41 pm

According to news reports I read the sentence passed by the court of Appeals which is called "Murder" in South Africa has a broader meaning and includes what is called "Manslaughter" in other countries and that Pristorius' sentence must be compared with manslaughter sentences in other countries.

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Post by mistermack » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:53 pm

NineBerry wrote:According to news reports I read the sentence passed by the court of Appeals which is called "Murder" in South Africa has a broader meaning and includes what is called "Manslaughter" in other countries and that Pristorius' sentence must be compared with manslaughter sentences in other countries.
I think you have that wrong. Or you've been reading some pretty uninformed news reports. His first sentence was for culpable homicide, which is the general equivalent of manslaughter in other countries.
The court of appeal overturned that with a conviction for murder.
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Post by NineBerry » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:57 pm

"Culpable homicide" has been defined (in South African law) simply as "the unlawful negligent killing of a human being", the rough equivalent of involuntary manslaughter in Anglo-American law.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpable_ ... uth_Africa

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Post by mistermack » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:12 pm

NineBerry wrote:
"Culpable homicide" has been defined (in South African law) simply as "the unlawful negligent killing of a human being", the rough equivalent of involuntary manslaughter in Anglo-American law.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpable_ ... uth_Africa
Yes, that's what I said.
You seem to be completely confused about this.
He WAS originally convicted by the judge of culpable homicide which is the equivalent of manslaughter, and sentenced to five years.
The prosecution appealed the verdict, and the appeal court overturned the verdict, and convicted him of MURDER, which is the equivalent of murder.

The case was then sent back to the same original judge, for sentencing for the crime of murder, and she gave him six years, to replace the original five.
It's all there in the previous posts of this thread.
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Post by NineBerry » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:54 pm

No, it is the equivalent of "involuntary manslaughter", he was then convicted of voluntary manslaughter which in South Africa also carries the name "murder".

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:49 pm

Call it what ever you will. He must have coughed a hell of a lot of money to get only 6 years.
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Post by mistermack » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:16 pm

NineBerry wrote:No, it is the equivalent of "involuntary manslaughter", he was then convicted of voluntary manslaughter which in South Africa also carries the name "murder".
I don't see any link for that. Perhaps you can't link to what flits out of your own head.
But I'm waiting in keen anticipation for confirmation that he was convicted of voluntary manslaughter.
I posted this earlier. Here it is again as you can't be bothered to keep up:
Wikipedia wrote: Re-sentencing[edit]
In December 2015, the Supreme Court of Appeals overturned the culpable homicide verdict and found Pistorius guilty of murder, believing Pistorius should have known that firing his gun would have killed whoever was behind the door, regardless of who he thought it was.[199] On 6 July 2016 Judge Thokozile Masipa sentenced Pistorius to six years in prison for murder, although the prosecution has called for 15 years, the minimum prison sentence in South Africa for murder.[199] Masipa argued that Pistorius had already served 12 months in prison for the culpable homicide conviction and was remorseful for his killing.[200]
No mention of it there.
In fact, the Judges' summary said the opposite of anything that could constitute voluntary manslaughter :
Wikipedia wrote: By a unanimous decision,[173] the court overturned Pistorius' culpable homicide conviction and found him guilty of murder in the death of Reeva Steenkamp. Judge Eric Leach read the summary of judgment. The panel of five judges found for the prosecutor's argument that Pistorius must have known that someone would die if he fired through the closed door into a small toilet cubicle. In the words of Judge Leach, "Although he may have been anxious, it is inconceivable that a rational person could have believed he was entitled to fire at this person with a heavy-calibre firearm, without taking even that most elementary precaution of firing a warning shot, which the accused said he elected not to fire as he thought the ricochet might harm him."[174]
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Post by JimC » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:29 am

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Post by mistermack » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:47 am

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Re: South Africa. A joke.

Post by mistermack » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:40 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Sælir wrote:I don't really understand how the public always seems to be able to judge everything better than employees of the legal system anywhere in the world :ask:

I mean... we do read the paper! Or... at least the headlines! So I am sure we can take an informed decision from that :bored:
MM considers himself an expert on everything.
Mistermack proved right yet again. Surely this can't go on forever????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-42107701

I wonder if that woman judge will get to keep her bribe money?
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Post by Rum » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:43 pm

mistermack wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:
Sælir wrote:I don't really understand how the public always seems to be able to judge everything better than employees of the legal system anywhere in the world :ask:

I mean... we do read the paper! Or... at least the headlines! So I am sure we can take an informed decision from that :bored:
MM considers himself an expert on everything.
Mistermack proved right yet again. Surely this can't go on forever????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-42107701

I wonder if that woman judge will get to keep her bribe money?
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Post by mistermack » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:20 am

Rum wrote: Do you have a permanent sneer on your face? That is how I imagine you.
Have you told your doctor?
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