The Donald-thread

[DRSB]

Hillary is as establishment as establishment goes. But what do you want to do about this? Elect Trump (who is establishment too)? Ignite a social revolution (go ahead, there have been nice precedents in history)? This election is impactuous for the rest of the world, this is why we care it is won by a sane, competent and politically literate person which Donald is not, not by a long shot.

[cronus]

Hillary is as establishment as establishment goes. But what do you want to do about this? Elect Trump (who is establishment too)? Ignite a social revolution (go ahead, there have been nice precedents in history)? This election is impactuous for the rest of the world, this is why we care it is won by a sane, competent and politically literate person which Donald is not, not by a long shot.

Even if he loses, and perhaps more so, a social revolution is stirring in the US between the cognitive haves and the cognitive have-nots.

[pErvinalia]

That's a typical crumple silly comment. Some of the trump supporters may be stupid, but that doesn't mean that they can't recognise when they are being screwed. Their problem is that they can't work out who is screwing them. So it's more a case of the disenfranchised (which includes by the cognitive haves and have-nots) vs the establishment/elite.

[DRSB]

[Brian Peacock]

What does Trump actually represent? Who does Trump actually represent?

The fact that Nigel Farage is being brought in to advise him speaks to this. Trump is tipping his pitch at those who think white power, white jobs, and white lives matter more than others, appealing to the notion that the white American is the only 'true American' and that the 'true American' is seeing his (yes his) authority challenged, his employment prospects limited, and his very essence diluted by all those 'non true Americans', like immigrants, the underclass, the media, the political establishment, his political opponents, his business rivals, and anyone else he cares to take issue with.

As with Farage's stormtrooping nationalist rhetoric Trump is peddling the idea that 'true Americanism' is an actual thing, something defined according to whatever conditions he sets, and where simply disagreeing with him marks one out as a 'non-true American' from the off.

What he's peddling is authentic political correctness, not that bleating whinge about being told off for not be nice to people, but the full-on, old-skool dogmatic form of political correctness which measures one's qualifications as a proper human according to one's political beleifs and allegiances - those being whatever is aligned with whatever it is Trump believes is good, right, and true - which is himself mostly. What Trump is peddling is a lie, not one which simply says that his nominal 'true Americans' can have more say, better jobs and better prospects with him as President, but that they should and they will, and that those things should belong to 'true Americans' as of a birthright. What falls out of his political organisation is the same stuff that falls out of his business organisation, his Brand: a mantra of self-entitlement delivered by someone with a massive sense of self-entitlement. He doesn't want America to be great again, he wants 'true Americans' to be greater than 'non-true Americans', and he wants to be the greatest of them all because, I fear, he genuinely believes that he is better than anyone else on Earth.

America, is that the sort of person you want your prosperity and well-being to be dependent on, the sort of person to leave in charge of your sovereignty, your defence, your statutes, your personal finances, your your jobs, your homes, or even your children?

So, in answer to the first two questions: What does Trump represent? White nationalism. Who does Trump represent? Mostly himself, and those who think their politics and/or heritage affords them a de facto right to be in charge of others.

[Scot Dutchy]

Another thing is will he accept the result? He could make legal challenges and tie up the process for years.

Trump renews voter fraud warning and says Clinton 'could be crazy'

He is crazy enough.

[Feck]

When challenged about his tax evasion his answer was "That makes me smart."
I wonder how that makes all those who lost out on the several occasions he claimed bankruptcy feel ?
Given a fortune this guy has done nothing but renege on his bad debts and boast about it
Is this the future Head of State ? Does he think that the contractors who build his wall will be happy when he tries to declare the USA bankrupt and not pay them ?

[Tero]

Trump Tax Records Obtained by The Times Reveal He Could Have Avoided Paying Taxes for Nearly Two Decades
1995 loss of 950 million assured he would pay NO tax for 18 years

Do you want Trump to lose 9 trillion as president?

[Brian Peacock]

Is that an imperial, metric, or Russian trillion?

[Forty Two]

Another thing is will he accept the result? He could make legal challenges and tie up the process for years.

Trump renews voter fraud warning and says Clinton 'could be crazy'

He is crazy enough.

As crazy as Al Gore? I mean, if you don't "accept the result" then you're crazy? Won't acceptance of the result first depend on the result? A landslide victory would be one thing, whereas an extremely close "nail-biter" would be quite another, wouldn't it?

[pErvinalia]

I bet he'd whinge either way.

[Forty Two]

I have a feeling if it's a fairly close result with The Donald in a slight lead, The Hillary will look at her legal options to challenge, recount, etc. Don't you think? Or, do ya'll think she would she just "accept the result?"

[Tero]

Well, anyone running for prez is either motivated by fame/power or is a professional politician. The first category is likely to be the crazies with giant ego. The crooked politician is better equipped to juggle practical issues and face foreign leaders with similar personalities. Of course the kings and mullahs fit the Trump mold.

[Brian Peacock]

I have a feeling if it's a fairly close result with The Donald in a slight lead, The Hillary will look at her legal options to challenge, recount, etc. Don't you think? Or, do ya'll think she would she just "accept the result?"

We don't know, it's only Mr Trump who is pre-bleating about a rigged election at the moment. He seems to think not just that America should vote for him--all candidates think this--but that the only reason America would not vote for him is if his opponents fix the ballot.

[Forty Two]

I have a feeling if it's a fairly close result with The Donald in a slight lead, The Hillary will look at her legal options to challenge, recount, etc. Don't you think? Or, do ya'll think she would she just "accept the result?"

We don't know, it's only Mr Trump who is pre-bleating about a rigged election at the moment. He seems to think not just that America should vote for him--all candidates think this--but that the only reason America would not vote for him is if his opponents fix the ballot.

There's good reason to mention it. After all, the Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee resigned this year after it was discovered that she and others, including Hillary, were lying about the collusion between the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton Campaign to beat Sanders. There have been reports about electronic voting machines switching votes from Republican to Democrat in certain elections, too. And, there has been incidents of Democrats registering dead people to vote.