France reportedly facing 1.2 billion euro claim from Russia

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Re: France reportedly facing 1.2 billion euro claim from Rus

Post by klr » Tue May 19, 2015 10:20 pm

mistermack wrote:
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klr wrote:Why on earth couldn't Russian dockyards build these sort of ships anyway.

As to the details of the design being a matter of state security: I very much doubt that any significant details are still a secret to anyone who wanted to find out about them.
Because Russians are shitty engineers and shitty welders.
100 million Kalashnikov buyers might disagree. So might the US soldiers who got hit by AK 47 bullets in Vietnam. Apparently, they really hurt.

That's also what the Germans thought in WW2. Till they came across the Russian tanks.

These French ships were probably part of a big trade agreement between France and Russia, involving gas coming from Russia, and arms coming from France.
Actually, while the Germans greatly admired the design of the T-34 and KV-1, they were less than impressed by the standards of workmanship, especially with the many T-34s produced in a near-panic. Eventually, production standards did improve markedly, although they were probably never good enough to meet fastidious German standards. The German war industry over-engineered for most of the war, something that the Soviets (and British and Americans) largely avoided.
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Re: France reportedly facing 1.2 billion euro claim from Rus

Post by mistermack » Wed May 20, 2015 12:00 am

piscator wrote:Maybe mistermack deserves to be massacred too? :{D
Maybe, but not on the same grounds.

If you do a jig on the edge of a cliff, you deserve it, if you slip and fall.
Same with insisting on free access to guns. You deserve lots of massacres.

It's still sad when it happens, but you are only getting what you asked for.
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Re: France reportedly facing 1.2 billion euro claim from Rus

Post by Seth » Wed May 20, 2015 1:07 am

mistermack wrote:
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Seth wrote: Well, the T-34 anyway. The other Russian tanks weren't much, but they made up for their technical deficiencies in sheer volume of manufacture.
Ease of manufacture is just as important a quality, as ease of aiming.
More so, actually.
An easily made tank is a better tank. When your country is being invaded.
True, to a certain extent. Any weapon is better than no weapon.

Then again, there is this:, which makes manufacturing an AR-15 lower receiver quite literally child's play that can be done at home. Stockpile the rest of the parts, buy a stack of 80% receivers for less than $100 each and you've got your own little arsenal just waiting to be milled. Soon enough there will be one that will machine the entire receiver from a monolithic block of aluminum without any human intervention. Buy the device, stick the raw material in, push a button, change a tool when directed and pretty damned quick you'll have both an upper and a lower receiver ready to install barrel and guts. Add a Ceracoat finish or even self-anodize and your unmarked, un-serialized AR will be ready to go.
I'm all for it. The more massacres the better, so long as they stay in America.
Nobody deserves it more.

Our laws can handle that sort of stuff easily. And gun control laws can be updated easily here, with plenty of public support.
The only thing your laws can handle easily are those who give a fuck about your laws. If they don't, your laws will only affect them if they get caught.
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Re: France reportedly facing 1.2 billion euro claim from Rus

Post by mistermack » Wed May 20, 2015 6:06 am

Seth wrote: The only thing your laws can handle easily are those who give a fuck about your laws. If they don't, your laws will only affect them if they get caught.
Well, whoopie shit. What a font of wisdom!

Can you keep filling in the bleedin obvious?, because I'm a bugger for leaving it out.
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Re: France reportedly facing 1.2 billion euro claim from Rus

Post by Seth » Wed May 20, 2015 6:46 pm

mistermack wrote:
Seth wrote: The only thing your laws can handle easily are those who give a fuck about your laws. If they don't, your laws will only affect them if they get caught.
Well, whoopie shit. What a font of wisdom!

Can you keep filling in the bleedin obvious?, because I'm a bugger for leaving it out.
One would like to presume that you are capable of understanding the bleedin' obvious and drawing a rational conclusion therefrom. Evidently not. Pity, that.
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