Mystery of dead kayakers. This bugs me.

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Re: Mystery of dead kayakers. This bugs me.

Post by mistermack » Fri May 23, 2014 4:25 pm

MiM wrote:Wouldn't the most obvious explanation in a case like this be that one of them got into trouble, then the two others tried to help, from where things started escalating...:ask:
It could have been that. What I can't work out is what that trouble could have been.
They apparently had the usual life jackets and helmets. And the kayaks were the unsinkable ride-on variety, and there were ropes attached, so plenty of hand holds.
Even if they got tipped off, they should have been ok to get back on and paddle to the bank. Or at least one of them, out of the three. The water was higher than usual, but it's a flat stretch, so that shouldn't have had much effect.

The only real hazard that I could find, was the bridge that I pictured, which is only about fifty yards from where they started. If the water was raised, that could kill all three, under the right circumstances.

When you have a weir, like that, you can get a back-flow on the surface. The main flow is directed downwards, and it drags water with it from the surface. So you can get a few metres of powerful UPSTREAM current at the surface, that keep dragging you back to the weir, and you get sucked under again by the main flow. So you go round and round and round and can't get out of it.

Why this doesn't happen in ordinary white water is that the back flow isn't very wide, from rocks.
On a weir, it's the full width of the river.

What puts me off that theory is the report by the dog walker, that he saw them a couple of miles down from that bridge, and they were ok.
If that's true, it wasn't the bridge that did for them.
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Post by JimC » Sat May 24, 2014 2:20 am

It was the dog walker what donnit...
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Post by FBM » Sat May 24, 2014 2:26 am

MiM wrote:Wouldn't the most obvious explanation in a case like this be that one of them got into trouble, then the two others tried to help, from where things started escalating...:ask:
Yeah, I'd agree. That crossed my mind, too. Don't know why I didn't post that. I guess I got distracted by the lightning idea.
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Post by mistermack » Sat May 24, 2014 12:27 pm

FBM wrote:
MiM wrote:Wouldn't the most obvious explanation in a case like this be that one of them got into trouble, then the two others tried to help, from where things started escalating...:ask:
Yeah, I'd agree. That crossed my mind, too. Don't know why I didn't post that. I guess I got distracted by the lightning idea.
That could well be true, but it's hardly an explanation. It's the nature of the trouble that is the mystery, on what should have been a flat paddle.
It must have been trouble that was so bad, they couldn't even make it to the bank, even though they had kayaks that won't sink, and flotation jackets.

If it wasn't for the dog walker, I'd be fairly confident it had to have happened right at the bridge where they got in :
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It doesn't look much, but the water level was raised, and there would be a lot of power there.
If you came off, it could easily keep you trapped, going round and round, where the water dives down off the weir.

It's the only hazard really, after that it's pretty flat, all the way to where they found the first body.
I had a look on Google Earth.
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Post by mistermack » Sun May 25, 2014 1:58 pm

It's not just me that can't get their head around it.
This is a post on the kayaker thread by Sundowner, who give his location as :
Location :
Downriver from the Bywell bridge over the Tyne

This is just a couple of miles downstream from the stretch in question. He wrote :
For my part I simply can't get my head around it. The stretch from Hexham to Corbridge is, under normal conditions, a doddle. I had, at first, thought that it was at the pumping station at Riding Mill (nasty wear! to be avoided in any conditions) but stand corrected as the local news clearly stated that two bodies where recovered above Corbridge.
In other words, there's nothing on the river that should have done this.

I think the best guesses have to be ( not in any order )
a) My guess about the bridge where they got in, and the dogwalker story is false.
b) Lightning
c) They died in the weir mentioned above, and the reports of some of the bodies being found upstream are incorrect.

Damn it, I hate mysteries. Especially tragic ones like this.
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Post by mistermack » Sun May 25, 2014 6:57 pm

Lightning is certainly a contender, if there was some in the area.

I was on youtube, and noticed this :



That was some power to do that to the tree. If you pause the vid just before, and look at the near tree, and then pause it after, it's quite amazing damage.
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Post by FBM » Mon May 26, 2014 6:47 am

Yeah, it blew the shit out of that tree, alright.
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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Mon May 26, 2014 9:19 am

mistermack wrote:Lightning is certainly a contender, if there was some in the area.

I was on youtube, and noticed this :



That was some power to do that to the tree. If you pause the vid just before, and look at the near tree, and then pause it after, it's quite amazing damage.
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