That's why I'm not a judge.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:That's quite a retreat from your previous position of hoping he'll hang himself.Scrumple wrote:They would not waste limited funds on such a high profile character without more than reasonable doubt. I'm not prejudiced. I like his music and have a CD. I hope he's as innocent as the next but it doesn't look promising does it really?Cormac wrote:Burden of proof is on the prosecution - and being a criminal matter, they have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.Scrumple wrote:He's being brought to book over something held as sickening and deeply deeply repugnant by the vast majority of the public, and he has to prove otherwise now charges have been brought.
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Great game that was. The equaliser in the 43rd minute was bloody brilliant.Cormac wrote:They do it all the time.Scrumple wrote:Everything probably from his permanently smug expression.
He's got weeks for the final rubber stamp. Very likely guilty because they've charged him and they won't waste policetime on a innocent man in these circumstances. The man hangs himself in shame if he had any moral stamina.
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Yes they would.Scrumple wrote:They would not waste limited funds on such a high profile character without more than reasonable doubt. I'm not prejudiced. I like his music and have a CD. I hope he's as innocent as the next but it doesn't look promising does it really?Cormac wrote:Burden of proof is on the prosecution - and being a criminal matter, they have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.Scrumple wrote:He's being brought to book over something held as sickening and deeply deeply repugnant by the vast majority of the public, and he has to prove otherwise now charges have been brought.
British law has countless examples of prosecutions for the purpose of convicting a scapegoat to save official embarrassment. Take the Widgery Enquiry, as an example.
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Scrumple wrote:That's why I'm not a judge.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:That's quite a retreat from your previous position of hoping he'll hang himself.Scrumple wrote:They would not waste limited funds on such a high profile character without more than reasonable doubt. I'm not prejudiced. I like his music and have a CD. I hope he's as innocent as the next but it doesn't look promising does it really?Cormac wrote:Burden of proof is on the prosecution - and being a criminal matter, they have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.Scrumple wrote:He's being brought to book over something held as sickening and deeply deeply repugnant by the vast majority of the public, and he has to prove otherwise now charges have been brought.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24204750
Rolf Harris in court over assaults
TV presenter Rolf Harris has appeared in court charged with nine counts of indecent assault and four of making indecent images of children.
Mr Harris, 83, stood to give his name and confirm his address at Westminster Magistrates' Court.
His case was referred to Southwark Crown Court and he is due to appear there on 7 October.
Mr Harris was first arrested in March by officers investigating historical allegations of child sexual abuse.
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									Rolf Harris in court over assaults
TV presenter Rolf Harris has appeared in court charged with nine counts of indecent assault and four of making indecent images of children.
Mr Harris, 83, stood to give his name and confirm his address at Westminster Magistrates' Court.
His case was referred to Southwark Crown Court and he is due to appear there on 7 October.
Mr Harris was first arrested in March by officers investigating historical allegations of child sexual abuse.
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Hmm "making indecent images of children" sounds really suspect and nebulous. Not "Taking" but "making". Weird usage, makes me wonder what that actually means. Did he draw some naked cherubim or Bart Simpson getting screwed by Santa's little helper or was he up to something actually horrible.
			
									
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What the fuck happened to innocent till proved guilty?
Anyone famous has their career destroyed, just by an allegation these days.
The one about indecent images of children is particularly misleading. If you download porn, how can you know if what you're looking at is over sixteen? It's impossible to tell, some girls look much older than their ages, and some look far younger than what they are. If they could prove that one of those pics was of a girl aged fifteen and eleven months, you have made an indecent image of a child. Even if it's one contained in a bunch, that you didn't even look at.
It's about time they started keeping the name confidential, at least until conviction.
The reason that they don't, is that they are hoping that others will jump on the bandwagon, and they will get a conviction by numbers of accusers. But that ignores the motive accusers have, of making money out of a famous person.
Edit. Audley, I think that '' making '' an image is just downloading it. You '' make '' a copy.
			
									
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The one about indecent images of children is particularly misleading. If you download porn, how can you know if what you're looking at is over sixteen? It's impossible to tell, some girls look much older than their ages, and some look far younger than what they are. If they could prove that one of those pics was of a girl aged fifteen and eleven months, you have made an indecent image of a child. Even if it's one contained in a bunch, that you didn't even look at.
It's about time they started keeping the name confidential, at least until conviction.
The reason that they don't, is that they are hoping that others will jump on the bandwagon, and they will get a conviction by numbers of accusers. But that ignores the motive accusers have, of making money out of a famous person.
Edit. Audley, I think that '' making '' an image is just downloading it. You '' make '' a copy.
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Are you asking our press to earn their wages by actually working? What are you some kind of radical?
Good idea though, I see no reason why in such abuse cases the entirety of the cases are kept confidential. The public are far too reactionary for it to be in their "best interests". It is cheap tabloid gossip writ large.
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									Good idea though, I see no reason why in such abuse cases the entirety of the cases are kept confidential. The public are far too reactionary for it to be in their "best interests". It is cheap tabloid gossip writ large.
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He never struck me as a expert at the little details requiring a small brush.    
			
									
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