Public school controversy over singing Muslim worship song.

[charlou]

Here's the lyrics.

http://www.lyricsvip.com/A.-R.-Rahman/Zikr-Lyrics.html

Here's the only lyric even close to what you're saying.

Allaah is the only One who is eternal and immortal and rest are perishable and will be destroyed by Allaah

Seems to me, in context, to be about God being the only thing that lasts (unlike, say, family, friends, love, looks, wealth, fame or glory).

ETA: Zikr = http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhikr

yabbut .. there's that small issue of the death and destruction bit ...

[Animavore]

Here's the lyrics.

http://www.lyricsvip.com/A.-R.-Rahman/Zikr-Lyrics.html

Here's the only lyric even close to what you're saying.

Allaah is the only One who is eternal and immortal and rest are perishable and will be destroyed by Allaah

Seems to me, in context, to be about God being the only thing that lasts (unlike, say, family, friends, love, looks, wealth, fame or glory).

ETA: Zikr = http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhikr

yabbut .. there's that small issue of the death and destruction bit ...

Yeah, so? God is creator and destroyer. He giveth and he taketh away. Mountans, landmarks, cities, even planets and stars come and go. All is transient. God remains eternal.

This is religion 101 stuff.

[charlou]

Yes, that is religion 101 .. I don't see how your interpretation deviates from what Coito was saying.

[charlou]

Allah ... God ... both big self centred destructive game-playing manipulators ... a creation of less then philosophically advanced minds.

[Animavore]

It flies in the face of what Coito said. He compares it to a war song. An Ork war song as they go off to fight the forces of good! It's nothing like that. It's about the transient and ephemeral nature of reality and faith in the transcendent. It's actually quite uplifting in its own way.

[Seth]

As noted, both particular songs and the choir itself are voluntary, so the young man is simply trying to draw attention to himself.

Doesn't matter. It's a school-sponsored activity and it's illegal to even ask students to sing what is in fact a religious prayer, be it Christian or Muslim. The kid was absolutely right to protest and to bring it to the attention of the public. If the choir had been asked to sing "Jesu Joy of Man's Desire" or any other overtly religious Christian song, you all would be frothing at the mouth. Why does Islam get a pass?

[Seth]

I've been noticing an increasingly multicultural mix in the small city I live in .. I like it.

The supermarket where I work played wall to wall christian songs over the two weeks leading up to december 25 ... and it occurred to me, while noticing the many, varied people going about their business of shopping, how very arrogant and insensitive it is to play such overtly value laden and monotonously themed religious music in a supermarket where everyone shops. The music belongs in the churches, along with prayers and other rituals of belief. I talked with the manager about it and to my surprise (and gratitude), he turned the thing off.

Just because one selfish atheist objects to a private company playing religious music everyone who enjoys religious music for it's art (or its religious theme, given that 80 percent of the public is religious) is to be denied that enjoyment. Once again, an example of one person ruining it for everyone else in a fit of arrogant, selfish pique. Atheists are such dicks. They can't even listen to music without whinging and moaning about the religious theme.

It's a fucking PRIVATE BUSINESS, not a public school, and they can play any sort of music they want. I'm betting he turned it on right after you left, saying "What an intolerant jerk!" At least I hope he did. I think he should have fired you instead.

I've noticed a distinct slant to the music the supermarket chooses to play, in general. While it's not usually as obvious as the christian christmas songs, there is a conservative theme of "good christian values and morality" woven among them. Ick.

It's their business, not yours. They can play what they like. Why don't you quit and find a job at an atheist supermarket rather than imposing your particular religious beliefs on others? Or are your morals and ethics for sale?

[Animavore]

If the choir had been asked to sing "Jesu Joy of Man's Desire" or any other overtly religious Christian song, you all would be frothing at the mouth.

Why would I be frothing at the mouth simply because a song was religious?

Now if I were expected to sing Justin Bieber, certainly. I can't stand shit music and there are plenty of shit choir songs that grate on my nerves through lack of soul, especially Catholic and CoE songs, I'd feel more at home listening to black gospel choirs than that soul-less guff. Not that whitey can't produce some good shit, Beethoven and Handel spring to mind, but beyond my vocal scope I'm afraid.

It wouldn't bother me to step down from songs I don't like or feel are beyond me.

[charlou]

Seth, I didn't ask or insist or demand that the music be turned off, I stated my opinion about it and the manager turned it off.

Of course the business (a multinational supermarket chain) can portray itself any way it wishes. If the powers that be in the Australian branch want to come across as supportive of conservative christian values I'm not in a position to do anything other than what I did: voice my opinion.

[Seth]

Seth, I didn't ask or insist or demand that the music be turned off, I stated my opinion about it and the manager turned it off.

Your opinion is a selfish, intolerant, arrogant one that disrespects the rights of the majority to listen to religious music in public places during a religious celebration season. You don't like it, wear earplugs or get another job. You have no right whatsoever to be free "from" religion in either public or private spaces.

I don't like rap music, but I wouldn't presume to object to the owners of a hip-hop music store or culturally ethnic clothing store (or any other store for that matter) to play it. I'd keep my opinion to myself and go shop somewhere else if I found it offensive.

[charlou]

Good luck finding your bling and your bitches in a store that doesn't offend your ears, then.



Seriously, you go ahead and take your approach to dealing with whatever you don't agree with. I'll take mine.

[JimC]

Here's the lyrics.

http://www.lyricsvip.com/A.-R.-Rahman/Zikr-Lyrics.html

Here's the only lyric even close to what you're saying.

Allaah is the only One who is eternal and immortal and rest are perishable and will be destroyed by Allaah

Seems to me, in context, to be about God being the only thing that lasts (unlike, say, family, friends, love, looks, wealth, fame or glory).

ETA: Zikr = http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhikr

"Will be destroyed by Allah" is fucking enough...

Fascist cunts...

[Animavore]

Here's the lyrics.

http://www.lyricsvip.com/A.-R.-Rahman/Zikr-Lyrics.html

Here's the only lyric even close to what you're saying.

Allaah is the only One who is eternal and immortal and rest are perishable and will be destroyed by Allaah

Seems to me, in context, to be about God being the only thing that lasts (unlike, say, family, friends, love, looks, wealth, fame or glory).

ETA: Zikr = http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhikr

"Will be destroyed by Allah" is fucking enough...

Fascist cunts...

Am I the only one reading the lyrics without reading it through the lens of Islamophobia?
In the context of the song it's pretty clear it's about the eternal vs the evanescent. We're not even sure how well that line and others are translated. Given the state of the grammar I would hazard insufficiently. The overall tone all the same is tranquility and bliss.

[redunderthebed]

Seth, I didn't ask or insist or demand that the music be turned off, I stated my opinion about it and the manager turned it off.

Your opinion is a selfish, intolerant, arrogant one that disrespects the rights of the majority to listen to religious music in public places during a religious celebration season. You don't like it, wear earplugs or get another job. You have no right whatsoever to be free "from" religion in either public or private spaces.

I don't like rap music, but I wouldn't presume to object to the owners of a hip-hop music store or culturally ethnic clothing store (or any other store for that matter) to play it. I'd keep my opinion to myself and go shop somewhere else if I found it offensive.

You're an idiot seth woolies and coles (charlou lives in the same area as i i assume charlou works at one or other) christmas carols has fuck all to do with religion it's a constant reminder "This is christmas buy shit from us!".If their was a popular satanic holiday that masses celebrated there would be fucking inverted crosses and pentagrams all over the fucking store and deicide piped throughout the store speakers. With all the bits and pieces for a festive black mass and ouija board session. Not to mention live virgins (rejected job applicants) in the deli section so you can make sacrfices to the great dark lord satan.

Actually that sounds like a pretty fucking good holiday.

In short its a marketing ploy so they can make money fuck they try to make money out of wogsorthodox christians by selling christmas stuff cheap after christmas.


@animavore Not expecting islamophobia here is pushing shit up a hill

[Animavore]

It should be pointed out the artist behind the song is a famous Bollywood composer and 2 time Oscar winner for Slumdog Millionaire and general world renowned musician. It is against his temperament to do war rallying songs. The guy done a song with Dido ffs.




Oh noes! The scary Muslim wants to destroy the West