Seminal and truly original albums?

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:58 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Van Halen 1 : Van Halen
Bat Out Of Hell : Meatloaf
The Black Album : Metallica
Led Zeppelin 2 : Led Zeppelin
Electric Ladyland : Jimi Hendrix
Highway 61 Revisited : Bob Dylan
Dark Side Of The Moon : Pink Floyd
Never Mind The Bollocks : Sex Pistols
Those on this list that I did not include in my top 10 are in the next grouping for me.

Bat out of Hell - for sure - very original.

Electric Ladyland OR Are You Experienced for Hendrix.

I may have a different album for Dylan.

Sex Pistols may be the only one there I'm not sold on.

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Post by Audley Strange » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:09 am

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Bad Moon Rising. (Sonic Youth not CCR)

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Post by tattuchu » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:48 am

Definitely Bjork!!!

Apophenia, I'd go with Drums and Wires myself, but I love all XTC's records :swoon:

How about k d lang Ingénue? Natalie Merchant Tigerlily? Talk Talk It's My Life? There are so many, but some albums like these really stand out for me.

Sometimes it's difficult to pinpoint a certain specific album. The Cars is great for instance, but I prefer Candy-O. The Yes Album is very important, but I like Fragile better. Dire Straights was fucking amazing, but I liked Communiqué more. A-Ha's Hunting High and Low was brilliant, but Scoundrel Days gives me the shivers. Songs From the Wood is more important historically but Heavy Horses gives me an orgasm.
I guess it all depends upon what criteria one uses to compile one's list.
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Post by hadespussercats » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:13 am

tattuchu wrote:Definitely Bjork!!!

Apophenia, I'd go with Drums and Wires myself, but I love all XTC's records :swoon:

How about k d lang Ingénue? Natalie Merchant Tigerlily? Talk Talk It's My Life? There are so many, but some albums like these really stand out for me.

Sometimes it's difficult to pinpoint a certain specific album. The Cars is great for instance, but I prefer Candy-O. The Yes Album is very important, but I like Fragile better. Dire Straights was fucking amazing, but I liked Communiqué more. A-Ha's Hunting High and Low was brilliant, but Scoundrel Days gives me the shivers. Songs From the Wood is more important historically but Heavy Horses gives me an orgasm.
I guess it all depends upon what criteria one uses to compile one's list.
Ingenue's a great album. But I feel like it harkens back to her inspirations too much to be considered original.

It's the same reason I couldn't list Tori Amos's Little Earthquakes-- even though culturally it was a very important album.

The Cars, though-- who sounds like them? They really do have their own sound, even if it's relatable. I've liked them forever.
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Post by redunderthebed » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:34 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: Metallica - Ride the Lightning - thrash metal invented.
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath - Heavy metal invented - I'm torn between Sabbath and Deep Purple for this slot.
Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine - groundbreaker of the 1990s - Rap/Rock kicking the most ass, and influencing all the popular ones, like Korn etc.
I wouldn't go that far with metallica there was bands before it doing thrash but definately cemented it as a legit sub-genre as opposed to passing trend.

Black sabbath are the inventers and lords of metal as we know it deep purple made one good song but definately nowhere near as influential as black sabbath.

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To me it is seminal it took elements that have being done before and mixed them together to create something that i had never heard before. Especially in so far as the seamless fusion of electronic/industrial elements and metal.The album coincidentally as we know it was by chance they were what generations of german musicians do if they want to break into the english speaking market and do an english version of the album. They went into recording did a couple of songs and went "screw it this doesn't sound right we'll release it in german" arguably they wouldn't of had as nearly as successful career if they didn't make that decision.

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The album that is easily one of the top 20 best metal albums ever. Influential and seminal album they single handedly reinvented metal in the 90's

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Post by Tero » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:44 pm

I have some 10 Pink Floyd albums. I think my dark side is a copy of a library disc, and I never had the LP! You could hear it daily in the time it vame out, dorm rooms, labs, etc. I did not think I needed my copy. I still only play only play two songs off it.

I did not have Aqualung either till the CD, I had all the other LPs.

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Post by tattuchu » Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:46 pm

I forgot how much I loved the rawer early Tull sound. I have to admit that Aqualung is an immensely important album. It's the only Tull album I haven't owned for years, however, since I hate the title track so much.

Anyhow, has anyone mention The Moody Blues? Days of Future Passed must be on any list of seminal albums.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:25 pm

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Post by apophenia » Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:51 pm




I would say that Tes Hombres is the seminal ZZ Top album. Eliminator is what resulted from refining and taming their original sound, and putting it through the reducing influence of slick studio production.


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Post by hadespussercats » Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:52 pm

apophenia wrote:I would say that Tes Hombres is the seminal ZZ Top album. Eliminator is what resulted from refining and taming their original sound, and putting it through the reducing influence of slick studio production.
I'm not sure I understand the disdain for well-executed studio production.

J and I were just discussing possible roots of the attitude-- a Ruskinian romanticization of the imperfections of human craftsmanship-- which doesn't entirely make sense when what's being discussed is a record made for mass consumption. And then there's the cult of vinyl-- that the hisses and crackles that were constant aggravations to the producers of albums in vinyl's heyday now have the cachet of nostalgia-- nothing can compare to the warm sounds of crackling vinyl.

Not that there's anything wrong with that view. It's a question of taste, I suppose.
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:12 pm

I wouldn't describe Dark Side of the Moon as seminal. (I wouldn't even rate it in my top 3 Floyd albums - but that's another thread...) It is a refinement of the ideas and techniques already present on Meddle and Atom Heart Mother. Seminal means ground-breaking - not building on previously broken ground.

I would say that The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is by far the most seminal PInk Floyd album, closely followed by AHM (particularly the title suite.)
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Post by Audley Strange » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:36 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I wouldn't describe Dark Side of the Moon as seminal. (I wouldn't even rate it in my top 3 Floyd albums - but that's another thread...) It is a refinement of the ideas and techniques already present on Meddle and Atom Heart Mother. Seminal means ground-breaking - not building on previously broken ground.

I would say that The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is by far the most seminal PInk Floyd album, closely followed by AHM (particularly the title suite.)
Piper, certainly. Their post Barrett stuff though isn't that different from the kosmicherock odysseys of their German contemporaries, specifically bands like Ash Ra Temple who would use guitars and blues influences in their electronic trip outs. I'd agree about Moon though, always seemed a bit of a let down after what came before and directly after.
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Post by laklak » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:23 pm

Ramones - The Ramones
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Please Please Me - The Beatles
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Post by Tero » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:01 pm

tattuchu wrote:I forgot how much I loved the rawer early Tull sound. I have to admit that Aqualung is an immensely important album. It's the only Tull album I haven't owned for years, however, since I hate the title track so much.
Few bands have been crippled by one song so much. I don't think Ian liked it after it got recorded, but it went on selling the band for decades. It never leaves the set list. Barre is mostly gone, not Aqua Lung.

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